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Come on, there is no way they are that cartoonish.
This videogame review from a YouTube channel called Warlockracy is actually also a really interesting perspective on at least some aspects of Russian subcultures and their prominence, I found it a surprisingly insightful social commentary wrapped up in an entertaining vid. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ_PiXLVaJ8 (~45mins) The second video is more serious but also rather interesting (clips from it became very p…
Video #2 should be required watching for anyone joining the conversation about the Russia - Ukraine war. Martti J. Kari (the lecturer) spent his whole career in the Finnish military studying Russia.
The Russian mentality is _really_ hard to understand for a generic westerner. Russia has been lead by a conservative leader for 200-300 years. Lead by an autocratic leader (Tsar) for a good thousand years. The next Tsar will always be from the "Princes" - never a complete outsider.
Trying to change that mindset is as impossible as it would be for the USA to not have a two-party system. Their whole culture and bureaucracy is based on the fact that there is an "us" and a "them". Three or four parties will never happen in the USA.
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Come on, there is no way they are that cartoonish.
As in illustration, I'll relay you an actual story that I read from one Russian blogger (who witnessed it himself and I trust him that he did): The scene is a couchette car in an overnight train between two Russian cities (a very popular mode of transport in Russia). It's late at night, so most people are preparing to sleep or sleeping already, so it is pretty quiet. Except for the two slightly drunk guys in one end…
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I think everyone here is justified in saying "do your own research." Plenty of stories if you just Google a bit.
I was mostly being facetious, I have done my research. I don’t really expect many legitimately good answers (although I’ll keep an open mind). I’m still waiting for those GPT-3 and deep fake horror stories we were warned about to come to reality. Maybe ML needs more script kiddy frameworks like KaliOS for these tools before the justifications to slow down R&D will finally be justified?
> I’m still waiting for those GPT-3 and deep fake horror stories we were warned about to come to reality.
I'm a bit confused. There's plenty of propaganda written by ML. Here's some deep fakes with respect to Ukraine[0][1]. Manufacturing robots kill people all the time[2][3]. They are weaponizing ML. Like specifically GPT-3? Probably not but people do use these to write tweets and short form things.
[0] https://news.northeastern.edu/2022/04/01/deepfakes-fake-news...
[1] https://www.npr.org/2022/03/16/1087062648/deepfake-video-zel...
[2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/02/robot-kills-wo...
[3] https://www.techrepublic.com/article/robot-kills-worker-on-a...
Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent
#207The answer from the federation is unconscionable. They blamed the boy and then said they could not be held responsible. Fuck off, a kid made a reasonable kid movement. If the robot wasn't ready to be around children, it shouldn't have been deployed around children. And there should have been a big red button that immediately everything, within reach of every player.
If that is the official statement of the federation, I agree it's abysmal. But i question whether Lazarev really blurted all of that in one go, or if he was asked a series of leading questions and then his answers were misleadingly pasted together to make him sound as callous as possible.
To be clear, any answer short of, "this was a failure on our part to protect the children who attended, and as the leader of the organization, responsibility falls on me. We will make this right for the family and I will tender my resignation" is not adequate.
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Honestly, as someone that researches ML, this is my major concern. It isn't AGI that has the potential to kill us, it is current ML systems that can't handle OOD data and engineers put it in place because "that's the user's fault." Same reason we have Teslas crashing. AI safety might talk about AGI a lot, but their main area of research is modern systems and concerns over that. OOD data is really hard to deal with FW…
Are there any other major examples of modern ML ethical issues besides some Tesla cars killing their drivers? Are ML driven robots in factories killing people or Something? Because I haven’t heard of anything else. The only other modern AI ethics stuff I hear about is making image generators more politically correct and maybe some criminal sentencing algorithms that are being misused (which isn’t really an AI ethics…
Not AI directly, but there is a talk by a coder who was asked to do triangulation targeting for mobile phones. It was an interesting problem so he went for it.
After a while he figured out that his code was used to target missiles on people using cell phones in Iraq.
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#210The answer from the federation is unconscionable. They blamed the boy and then said they could not be held responsible. Fuck off, a kid made a reasonable kid movement. If the robot wasn't ready to be around children, it shouldn't have been deployed around children. And there should have been a big red button that immediately everything, within reach of every player.
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