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A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

cjohnson318 wrote: post #65
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't just 'waive' criminal responsebility - if I have a dangerous dog or industrial machinery that chops off hands, it doesn't matter what piece of paper the kid or the legal guardians sign, If I purposefully let kids play with them, I have put kdis in harms way.

> industrial machinery that chops off hands In the US South there's a ton of poultry workers that have lost fingers and parts of hands to machinery. It's gotten a lot better lately, but for a long time it was a very bad problem. Since most of these workers were Black or from Latin America, there was very little was done to protect them.

That's trully atrocious.

When it comes to children there is an additional level of responsebvility that cannot be 'waived' away.

For instance if children tresspass onto your land and hurt themselves, you could be held legally responsible under the doctrine of 'Attractive nuisance'

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by salawat »

godelski wrote: post #58
carbadtraingood wrote: post #14

The answer from the federation is unconscionable. They blamed the boy and then said they could not be held responsible. Fuck off, a kid made a reasonable kid movement. If the robot wasn't ready to be around children, it shouldn't have been deployed around children. And there should have been a big red button that immediately everything, within reach of every player.

Honestly, as someone that researches ML, this is my major concern. It isn't AGI that has the potential to kill us, it is current ML systems that can't handle OOD data and engineers put it in place because "that's the user's fault." Same reason we have Teslas crashing. AI safety might talk about AGI a lot, but their main area of research is modern systems and concerns over that. OOD data is really hard to deal with FW…

By OOD, do you mean Out Of Domain?

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by DonHopkins »

kortilla wrote: post #34
twayt wrote: post #23

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>people sign a disclaimer about the risks, they can not be held responsible. This isn’t adequate in civilized countries. You can’t run an amusement park that severs the limbs of 1% of the participants under the protection of a disclaimer.

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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by chrisweekly »

cjohnson318 wrote: post #65
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't just 'waive' criminal responsebility - if I have a dangerous dog or industrial machinery that chops off hands, it doesn't matter what piece of paper the kid or the legal guardians sign, If I purposefully let kids play with them, I have put kdis in harms way.

> industrial machinery that chops off hands In the US South there's a ton of poultry workers that have lost fingers and parts of hands to machinery. It's gotten a lot better lately, but for a long time it was a very bad problem. Since most of these workers were Black or from Latin America, there was very little was done to protect them.

"Since most of these workers were Black or from Latin America,"

more like, "Since most of these workers are poor,"

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by hinkley »

Nextgrid wrote: post #35
kstenerud wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which leads to the next question: WHY is such a dangerous robot being used to play chess against people?

Most likely because they got it for cheap/free and someone had some fun programming it without ever thinking about the dangers - presumably they never actually observed just how much force this thing could produce.

“It was cheaper” is how Chernobyl nearly permanently destroyed the water supply of all of eastern and parts of Central Europe.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by pjot »

Nextgrid wrote: post #47
antoniuschan99 wrote: post #38

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I have a robot arm (Dobot MG400), it has a has a force sensitivity setting (5 levels) that stops when a collision happens. There's also an e-stop that you can hit that will stop the robot.

Out of curiosity, what do you use it for? I'd love to play around with one but I can't think of many use-cases beyond showing it off to guests.

“Y’all want to see my robot arm?” seems like a great way to kick off a conversation!

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

Nextgrid wrote: post #47
antoniuschan99 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a robot arm (Dobot MG400), it has a has a force sensitivity setting (5 levels) that stops when a collision happens. There's also an e-stop that you can hit that will stop the robot.

Out of curiosity, what do you use it for? I'd love to play around with one but I can't think of many use-cases beyond showing it off to guests.

If I had a robotic arm at home, I'd use it for making cocktails.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by jeabays »

salawat wrote: post #72
godelski wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, as someone that researches ML, this is my major concern. It isn't AGI that has the potential to kill us, it is current ML systems that can't handle OOD data and engineers put it in place because "that's the user's fault." Same reason we have Teslas crashing. AI safety might talk about AGI a lot, but their main area of research is modern systems and concerns over that. OOD data is really hard to deal with FW…

By OOD, do you mean Out Of Domain?

Out of distribution.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by hinkley »

bagels wrote: post #46

In factories humans are physically excluded from the reach of robotic arms like this. It is negligence to operate this thing where it could reach a kid.

Couldn’t they have done this with magnets and the arm mounted upside down below the table where it couldn’t eat people?

They did it like this for a lot of reasons. One is because it looks cooler to have the arm moving pieces around. “Looking cooler” has been the cause of many a lost limb and more than a few eyeballs.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by charcircuit »

carbadtraingood wrote: post #14

The answer from the federation is unconscionable. They blamed the boy and then said they could not be held responsible. Fuck off, a kid made a reasonable kid movement. If the robot wasn't ready to be around children, it shouldn't have been deployed around children. And there should have been a big red button that immediately everything, within reach of every player.

>a kid made a reasonable kid movement

What do you mean? There's no reasonable time where you and your opponent are touching the pieces at the same time. Nor is there a reasonable time where you reach for the same piece.

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