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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by pg_bot »

I have so many questions.

1.) What organizer/parent in their right mind thought that this was a good idea. Never place humans within the reach of industrial robots. He's lucky to have only broken a finger.

2.) Why make a robot pick up the pieces? Handling movement of chess pieces by a computer has been done safely since the early 1980's by Milton Bradley.

3.) Was the boy actually playing against a computer player? If so, why? Computers are already much better than humans and have nothing left to prove in the chess arena. If he's playing a human why is a human not moving the pieces?

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by ALittleLight »

godelski wrote: post #58
carbadtraingood wrote: post #14

The answer from the federation is unconscionable. They blamed the boy and then said they could not be held responsible. Fuck off, a kid made a reasonable kid movement. If the robot wasn't ready to be around children, it shouldn't have been deployed around children. And there should have been a big red button that immediately everything, within reach of every player.

Honestly, as someone that researches ML, this is my major concern. It isn't AGI that has the potential to kill us, it is current ML systems that can't handle OOD data and engineers put it in place because "that's the user's fault." Same reason we have Teslas crashing. AI safety might talk about AGI a lot, but their main area of research is modern systems and concerns over that. OOD data is really hard to deal with FW…

AGI alignment is a vastly bigger problem. Of course poorly built and deployed ML systems will kill and injure people - but these are tragedies of the kind humanity can endure and overcome and has overcome. Poorly aligned AGI is nothing less than the entire species at stake.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by stevage »

charcircuit wrote: post #80
carbadtraingood wrote: post #14

The answer from the federation is unconscionable. They blamed the boy and then said they could not be held responsible. Fuck off, a kid made a reasonable kid movement. If the robot wasn't ready to be around children, it shouldn't have been deployed around children. And there should have been a big red button that immediately everything, within reach of every player.

>a kid made a reasonable kid movement What do you mean? There's no reasonable time where you and your opponent are touching the pieces at the same time. Nor is there a reasonable time where you reach for the same piece.

Sure there is, like if you move a piece, hit the clock, then realise your piece wasn't quite centered on the square. Maybe not technically correct, but reasonable.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by ALittleLight »

userbinator wrote: post #110
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are in fact times when we need to think about children. If we don't, humanity won't have much of a future.

Quite the contrary, I think. Society has become "soft", for lack of better words. If we had been so risk-averse centuries ago, the industrial revolution would have never happened.

Why is it children injured by robots who need to toughen up rather than the people nostalgic for a past they never experienced?

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by Aeolun »

carbadtraingood wrote: post #14

The answer from the federation is unconscionable. They blamed the boy and then said they could not be held responsible. Fuck off, a kid made a reasonable kid movement. If the robot wasn't ready to be around children, it shouldn't have been deployed around children. And there should have been a big red button that immediately everything, within reach of every player.

Now it broke a finger, which sucks, but’ll heal. But what if it had taken out an eye?

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by notch656a »

jameshart wrote: post #95
kortilla wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>people sign a disclaimer about the risks, they can not be held responsible. This isn’t adequate in civilized countries. You can’t run an amusement park that severs the limbs of 1% of the participants under the protection of a disclaimer.

There is a threshold where it’s acceptable though. For example: the general rate of skiing injuries is about 1 injury per thousand skier days. Ski resorts will sell a day pass to let you experience that 0.1% injury risk as Long as you sign a disclaimer.

A ski lift that breaks legs one day per thousand would never be acceptable. Risk imposed on you by someone else or a machine operated by someone else is not at all like a risk imposed on yourself by you personally skiing with your own legs off the mountain, into an unmechanized tree.

IMO there is a huge difference between something that brings mechanical force to you (robot, ski lift) vs you bringing mechanical force onto something else (crash into rock/tree while skiing).

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by Aeolun »

markdown wrote: post #99
birdyrooster wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come on, there is no way they are that cartoonish.

They're not. It's a massive country with many different races and cultures in it. Painting them all with one brush isn't very nice.

This is Moscow though. I think it’s fairly likely the culture in Moscow is fairly homogenous.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by aendruk »

vorticalbox wrote: post #69

Why did the AI decide to do that action at all?

It looks like the machine’s bishop was capturing the kid’s queen. Humans usually do that in one motion, bumping the bishop into the queen. Most of the machine’s moves also are one motion, but its captures take two: 1) ensure that the destination square is clear, then 2) move the attacking piece.

For all of typical games and most of this game, there’s a rhythm of alternating motions between players. After the machine’s first motion here, the kid absentmindedly continued the rhythm and made his next move, which was to capture the attacking bishop at its destination. The machine, naive to the anomaly, continued ensuring that the destination square was empty.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by roenxi »

carbadtraingood wrote: post #14

The answer from the federation is unconscionable. They blamed the boy and then said they could not be held responsible. Fuck off, a kid made a reasonable kid movement. If the robot wasn't ready to be around children, it shouldn't have been deployed around children. And there should have been a big red button that immediately everything, within reach of every player.

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