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Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by forgot-my-pw »

sirsinsalot wrote: post #276
deng wrote: post #80

Actually, that steering into the oncoming train is just one of several severe instances in that video: * Almost driving right into a barrier because road is closed: https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=426 * Choosing the wrong lane and getting confused: https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=666 * Trying to run a red light, right into traffic: https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=732 * Stopping in the middle of an intersection without r…

The issue with these AI systems is that the corner cases in the real-world can be fatal. Humans are pretty good, on the whole, at dealing with corner cases.

We're just not great at reaction time and constant vigilance

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Post by carapace »

kortilla wrote: post #314
carapace wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it was one of your kids getting off that school bus does that change your perception of the situation?

Does involving your kids turn you into an irrational reactionary?

I don't have any children, so no.

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Post by kortilla »

ra7 wrote: post #316
kortilla wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So he’s… still not an idiot. Maybe rethink your comment.

Nah, I stand by it, especially after how he justified it in YouTube comments. Zero reason to turn on a dangerous system in front of a school bus.

It’s not dangerous if you’re explicitly expecting it to do something silly and are ready to take over.

There haven’t been any cases of it doing something the driver couldn’t stop.

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Post by jliptzin »

LtWorf wrote: post #305
jliptzin wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then they should not be using autopilot. When I have autopilot engaged I am way more alert. Also you aren’t “doing nothing” when you have autopilot engaged. The car annoys you if it doesn’t sense any force on the wheel within 10 seconds and even if you are looking at your phone (or anywhere other than the road) the car annoys you too (yes there’s a camera in the cabin looking at you when you’re on autopilot).

> When I have autopilot engaged I am way more alert Hm… so what's the point?

The point is acknowledging that over a million people die per year on the roads due to human error and trying to help beta test software that would help bring that number down over 90% so that our kids can have a better future.

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Post by fdhsbjasvh »

fdhsbjasvh wrote: post #55
whiplash451 wrote: post #53

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Wait. Karpathy is on sabbatical? Says who?

Says Karparthy IRL. And yes I doubt he’ll return.

It's official now; https://twitter.com/karpathy/status/1547332300186066944

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by henrikschroder »

fdhsbjasvh wrote: post #325
fdhsbjasvh wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Says Karparthy IRL. And yes I doubt he’ll return.

It's official now; https://twitter.com/karpathy/status/1547332300186066944

Oh my, what a surprise, absolutely no-one saw that coming......

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by Handytinge »

synu wrote: post #138
deng wrote: post #80

Actually, that steering into the oncoming train is just one of several severe instances in that video: * Almost driving right into a barrier because road is closed: https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=426 * Choosing the wrong lane and getting confused: https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=666 * Trying to run a red light, right into traffic: https://youtu.be/yxX4tDkSc_g?t=732 * Stopping in the middle of an intersection without r…

That is terrifying! I try to stay away from Teslas I see on the road because they are completely unpredictable. I think I'd prefer being near a poor driver with their attention on the controls to Autopilot with a poor driver not paying attention. Any test on public roads of a system that performs like this should have a professional team actively, directly monitoring it. Not just any rando who happened to be able to…

Meanwhile, I've been driving mine daily with autopilot for over a year daily, and can count on one hand the amount of times I've needed to take manual control.

My anecdotal experience is they're incredibly predictable and with an attentive driver (as you should always be in any car), completely a non issue.

Re: Tesla Autopilot Almost Steers Model 3 into Oncoming Train

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Post by Handytinge »

bfgoodrich wrote: post #180
pwpw wrote: post #39

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Because your brain is freed up from taking in all of the data points for constantly steering and speeding up and slowing down, it's incredibly less exhausting. Instead, you can focus on observing a lot more of the road and capturing things that you previously would have been unable to focus on. It's not often it deviates from expected behavior and catches you off guard with some radically unpredictable maneuver. When…

I can see how that might be the case for a very new driver, but for anyone who has driven for any period, "throttle control and steering" is completely autonomous and requires negligible consideration. Instead my focus is entirely on exceptional situations. The current FSD seems like I now have to focus on throttle and steering and the exceptions just to keep guard that the system doesn't do something disastrous. As…

> for anyone who has driven for any period, "throttle control and steering" is completely autonomous and requires negligible consideration.

As someone who has driven a Tesla 10s of thousands of km now and was driving for decades before, I disagree. I can see why you'd think that, however it's like a muscle that's been tight for years. You're so used to it, you don't noticr it anymore. Once it loosens, you're surprised how much better it feels.

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