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YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by chmod600 »

mihaic wrote: post #210

I'm only now leaning of this phenomenon, and I'm absolutely floored that something like fractal wood burning has claimed the lives of 34 people (known), and there's a general laisse-faire attitude around it. By itself this is close to the deadliest mass shootings in the history of the United States in terms of human casualties, even though the emotional impact is not the same.

Some kinds of deaths are more "media-ready" than others.

Deaths from mass-shootings, terrorism, plane crashes, and shark attacks are given too much weight. Deaths from falls, drowning, and medical mistakes are given too little weight.

Even within categories it's inconsistent. Most deaths by gunshot are suicides. And almost all murders by gunshot are ordinary pistols as part of ordinary criminal activity (not mass shooters).

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by quasarj »

kzrdude wrote: post #64
colejohnson66 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like Big Clive (and Electroboom) because they know how to be safe, but do the stupid thing anyways (safely) to show how bad the ideas are.

I can't watch Electroboom because he always gives himself shocks in every video. Don't care that they are small or it's set up, I can't stand watching it, makes me ill. Seems to be interesting stories he's telling otherwise though, so it's a shame.

It's supposed to be funny. Why does it make you sick?

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by praptak »

deelowe wrote: post #252
guggleet wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dunno, I have used both since I was like 13. Also, we used to weld and do all sorts of things (acetylene torching, lathe, casting, grinding, sawing, milling) mostly unsupervised with very little instruction in middle/high school metal shop. I don't remember any accidents.

Aren't lathes extremely dangerous?

Lathes are only seen this way because they can go very big. The instant death accidents happen with the big ones, especially the ones designed to quickly remove lots of material from big metal pieces.

Otherwise lathes aren't more dangerous than any other piece of machinery with exposed moving pieces. In particular the ones designed to turn small pieces of wood can't do much harm.

Don't leave the chuck key in, wear eye protection, no loose hair, no loose clothes, don't be stupid and you will be fine.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by bee_rider »

ip26 wrote: post #262
samizdis wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the risk of sounding like a salesperson, I'd like to mention a feature of basic/classic Dualit toasters - namely, the optional and elegantly simple sandwich cage. [1] The cage is designed to take two slices of bread with a filling (in my usage, always heavy on the cheese). You put this into the toaster slot, which is vertical, and safely make cheese/whatever toasties. So, your 12-year-old had the right idea, but n…

It's a fun idea, but I must say I have discovered quite by chance that an inexpensive toaster oven is the tool for this job - as well as countless other jobs. Not just toasting bruschetta - it's secretly a $60 patio oven, opening the door to things like baking fish mid-July without heating or smelling up the house.

Yeah I'm pretty confused as to why people are suggesting all toasters with super-dupe sandwich cage thingies. Why care about the orientation of your food while it is toasting?

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by CJefferson »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #48
CM30 wrote: post #32

YouTube's moderation is ridiculous, and it demonstrates the problem Google has in general. They don't like paying actual people to moderate their sites, and rely on automated systems and bots to do everything for them. So, if there's ever an issue (or you have a bunch of scammers mass reporting you because you debunk their 'work'), then YouTube/Google seems to think you're the problem instead of the scumbags. We need…

> We need things to change here. We need Google to moderate their services properly, Human moderation isn’t perfectly consistent, either. It would be extraordinarily expensive to expect YouTube to have humans moderate everything manually. What are people willing to give up in exchange for a human-moderated version of YouTube? Would we be okay if they charged a $3 “moderation fee” on every upload to cover the cost of…

I'd be happy with a law that said Youtube were responsible for people who hurt themselves copying videos which they were recommended which were wildly unsafe.

If the result of that is Google has to charge people a moderation fee for videos they then recommend, then fine, that's the cost we have to pay.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by mulmen »

t_mann wrote: post #274
pornel wrote: post #10

There is a massive YouTube and Instagram industry of outright faking craft and cooking tips. They're not just bad or a stretch, they're intentionally fabricated, made at scale by TheSoul Publishing with 550 employees. That's because making cool things looking surprisingly easy goes viral way better than actual reality-grounded instructions, and for the adtech giants nothing matters except the number of clicks. Before…

Scary. I recently did some research into what's behind the 'Jungle Builders' channels (two guys pretending to build flashy, but completely dysfunctional, pools somewhere in a forest with little more than their hands as tools). Seems to be a similar scheme, it doesn't invite viewers to recreate, but they leave a lot of litter and moscito-infested concrete pits behind. Most of them are actually in the same tiny forest…

Do you have some links to this? A few cursory quacks turned up nothing.

My family loves those channels but it would be interesting to see how the structures hold up and how/if they are ever used.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by hedora »

pessimizer wrote: post #318
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #35

Imperfect moderation is inevitable at the massive scale of social media companies. YouTube receives an enormous quantity of video every day and it’s clearly impossible to have humans review all of it. If we humans did review every single minute of video, the subjective element of moderation would still lead to headlines like this where someone could identify instances of inconsistencies. Given that she re-uploaded th…

> Imperfect moderation is inevitable at the massive scale of social media companies. If social media companies can't function well at that scale, what's the reason for having social media companies at that scale? We should set and enforce expectations, and when companies get to the scale where they can't meet those expectations, fine them until they "rightsize."

I'm a fan of removing legal carve outs for social media companies. If it's hosted on your domain, then you are liable, just as a book publisher would be.

If people want to publish stuff, they can buy a raspberry pi or an s3 bucket.

If people want to moderate content, they can hire an editorial staff (like magazines and podcasts do).

I'm not sure how to handle Wikipedia. It's a net positive for society, and this proposal would effectively ban it. That's the only impacted site I can think of that I think is worth saving.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by bee_rider »

conductr wrote: post #301
ip26 wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a fun idea, but I must say I have discovered quite by chance that an inexpensive toaster oven is the tool for this job - as well as countless other jobs. Not just toasting bruschetta - it's secretly a $60 patio oven, opening the door to things like baking fish mid-July without heating or smelling up the house.

This is my take. Mid 40s and I’ve never owned a toaster in my adult life, but the toaster oven gets frequent use. However I don’t make plain toast ever. I suppose if I did, especially in the AM, I’d see the appeal.

I still don't see the appeal, what's the advantage of the non-oven toaster? Maybe it is quicker or something? But the toaster oven is a timed device anyway, just run it while the water is boiling for coffee...

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by bergenty »

CM30 wrote: post #32

YouTube's moderation is ridiculous, and it demonstrates the problem Google has in general. They don't like paying actual people to moderate their sites, and rely on automated systems and bots to do everything for them. So, if there's ever an issue (or you have a bunch of scammers mass reporting you because you debunk their 'work'), then YouTube/Google seems to think you're the problem instead of the scumbags. We need…

Paying actual people to moderate a platform as large as YouTube is not reasonable.
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