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YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by iso1631 »

CM30 wrote: post #230
denton-scratch wrote: post #131

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> we need these scammers to get arrested/sued/whatever for misleading info Don't you think that it's the broadcaster that should be penalised? It is Goo/YT that is promulgating the misinfo. The scammers/creators would go away, if Goo/YT moderated as if their income depended on it.

Eh, both are to blame here. The platforms/broadcasters for hosting this content and not removing it when it's proven to be dangerous/illegal/whatever, and the creators for making such content and putting people's lives at risk. It's like the situation with fake products on Amazon; yes Amazon shares some of the blame for not policing their marketplace, but we can't let the scammers/counterfeiters off the hook either,…

The greatest trick companies like google and facebook made was to remove themselves from blame.

If a newspaper publishes something like this, they are liable and have punitive punishment. If a TV channel does the same applies.

If google publishes it, they just say "not our problem", while continuing to rake in the cash.

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Post by mrtksn »

framapotari wrote: post #285
mrtksn wrote: post #256

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Many things can be a fix to many problems. Listening devices at homes can be a fix to domestic violence for example. The point is, for "a fix" of an issue we are trading things and I don't find it a good trade. Total unchallenged censorship is ot a good compromise to "save the kids".

I don't think a private company choosing what they host on their platform is total unchallenged censorship. With such a vast gap in understanding of terms I don't think discussion will get us anywhere.

You can find a lot of feedback of creators about their objections falling on deaf ears but yes, you are right; that's the core of the disagreement, let's agree to disagree.

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Post by chrisjc »

CM30 wrote: post #32

YouTube's moderation is ridiculous, and it demonstrates the problem Google has in general. They don't like paying actual people to moderate their sites, and rely on automated systems and bots to do everything for them. So, if there's ever an issue (or you have a bunch of scammers mass reporting you because you debunk their 'work'), then YouTube/Google seems to think you're the problem instead of the scumbags. We need…

The "moderation" for Shorts is just spectacular! And I don't mean good.

The amount of back-to-back "Hi I'm Elon Musk and I'm something something bitcoin something something..." deepfakes is astounding. There are a handful that are seemingly pixel for pixel identical, yet as much as you report them over and over again, they only seem to shown more and more.

Then there are the countless sexually inappropriate ones that also fills the stream.

The gruesome ones showing rats/mice getting spiked to death, animals suffering on the side of the road after they've been hit by a truck/bus/car, so on and so forth.

It's just horrible.

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Post by throwaway744678 »

foobarian wrote: post #223
colejohnson66 wrote: post #24

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I like Big Clive (and Electroboom) because they know how to be safe, but do the stupid thing anyways (safely) to show how bad the ideas are.

It's disappointing how most of the articles and videos criticizing the dangerous content don't explain why exactly something is dangerous. They just scream "omg high voltage" "one mistake you're dead" and so on. I honestly think they are worse than the source; it reminds me of the medieval experimenters and alchemists being oppressed by the conformist public.

There's not much more than that to it: high voltage, high current and exposed wires. It does not take a PhD to understand what can go bad.

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Post by [deleted] »

enos_feedler wrote: post #292
pornel wrote: post #10

There is a massive YouTube and Instagram industry of outright faking craft and cooking tips. They're not just bad or a stretch, they're intentionally fabricated, made at scale by TheSoul Publishing with 550 employees. That's because making cool things looking surprisingly easy goes viral way better than actual reality-grounded instructions, and for the adtech giants nothing matters except the number of clicks. Before…

"That's because making cool things looking surprisingly easy goes viral way better than actual reality-grounded instructions" <- I feel like this might be the soul of the whole "no code" movement and why it bugs me a bit.

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Post by bedast »

whiddershins wrote: post #184

34 people killed is a pretty surprising number. Is it fair to refer to the makers of the videos as murderers? On a moral, if not legal, level?

That's 34 known and only in the US, as noted by Ann. Her new video notes 30 in the UK and more in Australia (where she lives). And it can't be reiterated enough, this is those that are known to be caused by this. It makes you wonder how many other electrocutions or fires were caused by this without noting this as the source, whether known or not.

Unfortunately, I don't think there's precedence nor law that places liability on these people.

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Post by framapotari »

effingwewt wrote: post #310
lancesells wrote: post #124

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> Just as with the real world, people need to develop the right habits to stay safe. Just as with the real world, you don't have a right to a broadcasting platform for anything you wish.

Of course you do, as long as it's not illegal. People forget even TV had public access, which could get pretty ridiculous back in the day. Your argument is old, tired, and nonsensical.

Where is this right to a broadcasting platform to publish anything you wish as long as it is legal enumerated?

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Post by pessimizer »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #35

Imperfect moderation is inevitable at the massive scale of social media companies. YouTube receives an enormous quantity of video every day and it’s clearly impossible to have humans review all of it. If we humans did review every single minute of video, the subjective element of moderation would still lead to headlines like this where someone could identify instances of inconsistencies. Given that she re-uploaded th…

> Imperfect moderation is inevitable at the massive scale of social media companies.

If social media companies can't function well at that scale, what's the reason for having social media companies at that scale? We should set and enforce expectations, and when companies get to the scale where they can't meet those expectations, fine them until they "rightsize."

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Post by mrtksn »

framapotari wrote: post #283
mrtksn wrote: post #247

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Yes, it is in the same effect due to the ubiquity of the platform. IMHO, platforms with that significant user base should be regulated as utility.

You don't want private entities making decisions on what content they host on their platforms, but you do want the government to make that decision (host everything) and force those private entities to abide by that decision under threat of penalty? And that is how we avoid dictatorships in your view?

The government has a due process, if the government doesn't have a fair due process you change them until you have a fair due process. You change the governments by election and if that's not available by burning down their stuff.

Companies don't have a fair due process. Google is infamous for not providing a human response for their algorithmic censorship. You can Google it.

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Post by hef19898 »

jermaustin1 wrote: post #296
hef19898 wrote: post #80

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The one reason I still have Youtube, after getting rid of everything else Google, is the effort I out over time into getting rid of a whole bunch crappy content proposals on my attached account. Every once in a while I have to block some channels, overall it is acceptable. Once in a while I end up on Youtube without being logged in, man is it a mess. As bad as the proposals on Internet Explorers starting page I see a…

My wife thinks it is weird that I watch so much YouTube, because when she goes to YouTube (not signed in), she is inundated with so many spammy/scammy videos. I told her it has taken me almost 15 years to curate the feed I have. And some days I have no new videos I want to watch, so I rewatch old ones.

And that curation is an on-going effort... YouTube music is better in that regard, and is the second YouTube app I still have on my phone.
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