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YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by rtkwe »

cupofpython wrote: post #45
logifail wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Before people realize that they can't really make a 3-layer cake in a toaster Our 12-year-old recently tried to make himself "cheese on toast" by putting both cheese and uncooked bread into the (almost brand new, upright) toaster. Aaargh! Cue the house full of smoke, a stern reprimand, then a couple of hours of my time wasted on removing every last piece of burnt greasy cheese from inside the toaster, followed by s…

> then a couple of hours of my time wasted on removing every last piece of burnt greasy cheese from inside the toaster Do you have a fancy toaster? I wouldve just replaced mine, although mine is pretty basic

That's a super wasteful solution to this. The toaster is perfectly salvageable.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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cupofpython wrote: post #45
logifail wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Before people realize that they can't really make a 3-layer cake in a toaster Our 12-year-old recently tried to make himself "cheese on toast" by putting both cheese and uncooked bread into the (almost brand new, upright) toaster. Aaargh! Cue the house full of smoke, a stern reprimand, then a couple of hours of my time wasted on removing every last piece of burnt greasy cheese from inside the toaster, followed by s…

> then a couple of hours of my time wasted on removing every last piece of burnt greasy cheese from inside the toaster Do you have a fancy toaster? I wouldve just replaced mine, although mine is pretty basic

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Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by rglullis »

cupofpython wrote: post #45
logifail wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Before people realize that they can't really make a 3-layer cake in a toaster Our 12-year-old recently tried to make himself "cheese on toast" by putting both cheese and uncooked bread into the (almost brand new, upright) toaster. Aaargh! Cue the house full of smoke, a stern reprimand, then a couple of hours of my time wasted on removing every last piece of burnt greasy cheese from inside the toaster, followed by s…

> then a couple of hours of my time wasted on removing every last piece of burnt greasy cheese from inside the toaster Do you have a fancy toaster? I wouldve just replaced mine, although mine is pretty basic

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Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by cupofpython »

honkdaddy wrote: post #42
pornel wrote: post #10

There is a massive YouTube and Instagram industry of outright faking craft and cooking tips. They're not just bad or a stretch, they're intentionally fabricated, made at scale by TheSoul Publishing with 550 employees. That's because making cool things looking surprisingly easy goes viral way better than actual reality-grounded instructions, and for the adtech giants nothing matters except the number of clicks. Before…

I just looked into it.. Ugh, this kind of content is just abysmal. 25 GLUE GUN HACKS YOU HAVE TO TRY 24 SIMPLE BEAUTY TRICKS TO MAKE YOU LOOK FABULOUS https://www.youtube.com/c/5MinuteCraftsYouTube/ Who are the people watching this stuff? I assume it's largely women and parents, as a lot of the "hacks" are beauty or parenting related. I watched a few minutes and all the ideas were just... terrible? Ranging from silly…

I sometimes find myself watching similar content for a bit like a kind of engineering "reality" show. no real goal in mind and absolutely no intention of doing any of the things though. Knowing now that they put out videos suggesting people mess with live transformers... i think im over it.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by samizdis »

logifail wrote: post #21
pornel wrote: post #10

There is a massive YouTube and Instagram industry of outright faking craft and cooking tips. They're not just bad or a stretch, they're intentionally fabricated, made at scale by TheSoul Publishing with 550 employees. That's because making cool things looking surprisingly easy goes viral way better than actual reality-grounded instructions, and for the adtech giants nothing matters except the number of clicks. Before…

> Before people realize that they can't really make a 3-layer cake in a toaster Our 12-year-old recently tried to make himself "cheese on toast" by putting both cheese and uncooked bread into the (almost brand new, upright) toaster. Aaargh! Cue the house full of smoke, a stern reprimand, then a couple of hours of my time wasted on removing every last piece of burnt greasy cheese from inside the toaster, followed by s…

At the risk of sounding like a salesperson, I'd like to mention a feature of basic/classic Dualit toasters - namely, the optional and elegantly simple sandwich cage. [1] The cage is designed to take two slices of bread with a filling (in my usage, always heavy on the cheese). You put this into the toaster slot, which is vertical, and safely make cheese/whatever toasties. So, your 12-year-old had the right idea, but not the right toaster.

FWIW, and now going full salesperson, Dualit toasters are low-tech and minimalist. The timer is clockwork. There is no automatic pop-up function; you can depress a lever to raise the toast during cooking to check its colour, if you like. All parts are serviceable/replaceable. I've had my bog-standard Dualit (plus two cages) for 20+ years, and so far I've not had to replace even a heating element; and this with usage at least five days a week.

[1] https://www.dualit.com/products/original-sandwich-cage

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by Retric »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #48
CM30 wrote: post #32

YouTube's moderation is ridiculous, and it demonstrates the problem Google has in general. They don't like paying actual people to moderate their sites, and rely on automated systems and bots to do everything for them. So, if there's ever an issue (or you have a bunch of scammers mass reporting you because you debunk their 'work'), then YouTube/Google seems to think you're the problem instead of the scumbags. We need…

> We need things to change here. We need Google to moderate their services properly, Human moderation isn’t perfectly consistent, either. It would be extraordinarily expensive to expect YouTube to have humans moderate everything manually. What are people willing to give up in exchange for a human-moderated version of YouTube? Would we be okay if they charged a $3 “moderation fee” on every upload to cover the cost of…

YouTube could set a views threshold to make manual reviews scale. My guess is 99% of what people watch is the top 0.1% most popular videos which makes things manageable.

Highly dangerous video seen by 5,000 people not a big deal. Highly dangerous video seen by 5,000,000 people is.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by glogla »

pornel wrote: post #10

There is a massive YouTube and Instagram industry of outright faking craft and cooking tips. They're not just bad or a stretch, they're intentionally fabricated, made at scale by TheSoul Publishing with 550 employees. That's because making cool things looking surprisingly easy goes viral way better than actual reality-grounded instructions, and for the adtech giants nothing matters except the number of clicks. Before…

Yes. But also, since the giants do only the bare minimum of automated moderation with no oversight and no checks and balances, the systems are easy to game by bad actors.

See the example of someone on HN saying his wife lost Whatsapp account for reporting spam - the spammers probably retaliated from hundreds of fake accounts. Same with this youtube video. Same with people gettong reported az spam ehrn criticizing certain nations.

And the giants of course do not care, why would they.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by TrackerFF »

pornel wrote: post #10

There is a massive YouTube and Instagram industry of outright faking craft and cooking tips. They're not just bad or a stretch, they're intentionally fabricated, made at scale by TheSoul Publishing with 550 employees. That's because making cool things looking surprisingly easy goes viral way better than actual reality-grounded instructions, and for the adtech giants nothing matters except the number of clicks. Before…

Seems like their DIY / craft vids have moved from glue guns to angle grinders and (tack) welding lately.

Anyone with even the smallest amount experience with either, know that these things are accidents bound to happen.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by mrtksn »

We really need to finish with this content removal business and simply hold people accountable for the content.

In other words, YouTube or any "utility level" platform should not have the right to remove content by its own and just request information to protect itself. For example, if someone is posting about something harmful the videos should remain and the person who does that should face the consequences.

It's not just that the platforms suck in judging the content, the more important aspect is that this content is also part of historical record. I would like to be able to watch and examine content from criminals, from fraudsters or pranksters.

For example, it's fascinating that Heaven's Gate cult website is still alive and kicking[0]. I'm glad that I can take a look at the real thing but if their mass su*cide happened today, I'm sure that all kind of materials about them would be promptly removed and we will be forced to accept only the official narrative(which might be or might not be correct on this case but that's not the point). None of us would be allowed to read their texts, listen to their conversation and judge it by ourselves.

[0] https://www.heavensgate.com

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