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Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by Dayshine »

202206241203 wrote: post #62
weberer wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do if you contribute to an open source project. There's also Pycharm Community edition which is available through the package manager of most Linux distros. https://www.jetbrains.com/community/opensource/#support

> They do if you contribute to an open source project. Are you sure you don't mean substantial contributions to a very popular open source project?

I got a free OSS license with very little effort for my OSS project with only a few stars (and a few hundred users in the VS Code marketplace).

The process to renew was super easy too, although I ended up just buying it so I could use it at work too.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by 0des »

konkordat wrote: post #153
0des wrote: post #106

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I thought I was the only one. For me it was GoLand, not to mention the constant feeling that im being watched. VSCode without telemetry is what I moved to.

Lol. VSCode with telemetry and autoupdates turned off still keeps pinging MS servers. There is your privacy.

I use the VSCodium variant, which is why I specified no telemetry.

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Post by JustFinishedBSG »

hhariri wrote: post #128
JustFinishedBSG wrote: post #44

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I know they were forced. I know they did it the most humane way possible. This is precisely why I support them financially. Doesn't change the fact that they had to let go of a huge portion of their staff. Call it firing, or special unemployment operation , the result is still the same; and I can't help but notice that updates are now very, very sparse and pretty minor ( maybe its a pure coincidence because they are…

I apologise for intervening, but I believe it's necessary as this statement is not correct. We did not layoff a huge portion of our staff.

Well then I have completely misunderstood your march announcement and I don't think you should be apologising.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by perrylaj »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #111
mmastrac wrote: post #78

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There's Eclipse too. It was almost always the better IDE for pure Java development. IntelliJ was always heavier and buggier whenever I tried using it.

True, I had to switch to intellij about six years ago because Eclipse just wasn't able to handle projects I was working on (gradle, spring boot) anymore. It just made a mess of the gradle support and I gave up on it. Never saw that working properly in Eclispe. These days with Kotlin, it's just not an option. The Kotlin support is just not really usable. Features I still miss: - Real incremental compilation. Real as i…

While I wish it were faster, I actually appreciate that Intellij can defer as much as it does to the underlying build tooling. The native ability of the IDE to interpret the full contextualized classpath of a given project is a double-edged sword. While it _can_ improve iteration speed, it also introduces a lot of room for IDE-specific environmental issues where something works in the IDE, but not in the build (and vice-versa).

Pros and Cons, but my experience spending hours or even days solving IDE classpath hell in large projects is a huge annoyance to me, especially when the same issues don't actually exist in the 'real' build. So much that I'm willing to pay a few more seconds for every task/build initiation in large projects if that's the cost of having an accurate representation of the classpath in the IDE.

I also really enjoy Kotlin, but find the weird configuration and versions of the kotlin sdk bleeding between the IDE, build tool (gradle) and actual dependencies to be a source of confusion. This is especially true when building/publishing gradle plugins written in kotlin.

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Post by nightski »

dcminter wrote: post #85
202206241203 wrote: post #75

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> During this time, we have introduced new products that have been included at no extra cost to everyone using the latter. It's like a landlord doing unrequested renovation and then sending a bill.

It really isn't. https://sales.jetbrains.com/hc/en-gb/articles/206544679-What... I can stop paying and carry on using the product indefinitely. Try that with your landlord regardless of renovations!

Sort of. You can keep using the product version from when you last paid (the beginning of the sub not the end). So if you were annual then you actually have to downgrade to a 1 year old version. It's a really wonky system. I was pretty upset when they switched to it but I love their products enough that I gave in.

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Post by mrunkel »

mike wrote: post #99
mrunkel wrote: post #82

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I just logged into my account, I can't see a way to renew for three years. The only option I have is to switch from annual to monthly billing.

On https://account.jetbrains.com/licenses if you click "Renew" for the appropriate product then on the next page, under the Subscription dropdown there should also be a "Purchase Period" dropdown. It's probably set to "Default" rather than "1 year", but can be changed to "2 years" or "3 years". Does that option not appear for you?

Thanks, I found it…

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by konkordat »

IshKebab wrote: post #21
pyprism wrote: post #15

With 10 USD, I can buy 1 weeks worth of food in my country. I wish SASS, software providers like Jetbrains adjusts their price based on country per capita.

People in rich countries hate it when companies do that. There's also the additional hassle of verifying addresses. All so you can get a little extra money from some poor countries. I can see why they wouldn't bother.

JetBrains are from a low income country themselves.

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Post by lostmsu »

Someone1234 wrote: post #98
mmastrac wrote: post #60

The heavier IDEs are in real trouble given the impressive state of VS Code lately. I haven't found the need to reach for a bigger IDE than Code in a while and I've been perfectly productive in JS, C, Rust and Python projects lately. Do yourself a favour and try out Code for your next project.

Unfortunately Microsoft forces .Net developers to use Visual Studio since they don't really offer a compelling .Net/C# answer in VSCode. OmniSharp exists, but outside of toying it is worse than Visual Studio Community. A lot of developers looking for that VSCode experience are actually switching to Rider, even those who already have a Visual Studio license/MSDN via their employer. Ultimately Visual Studio is just a l…

You can use Rider though.

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Post by mark_l_watson »

202206241203 wrote: post #156
mark_l_watson wrote: post #131

I almost always have at least one subscription with Jetbrains. This all sounds reasonable, especially with competition from VSCode ecosystem as well as LSP support improving.

> reasonable, especially with competition from VSCode ecosystem Competing with a free product by raising prices? Might work with corporate accounts.

I see you point. Some people will buy their products without too much regards to cost. I am sure they work hard to optimize profit vs. product pricing.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by oxfordmale »

CoffeeOnWrite wrote: post #132
oxfordmale wrote: post #16

Most JetBrains products are super slow, and resource hogs. I get red mist in front of my eyes whenever I see a DataGrip icon as it tends to consume all your CPU and memory for complex databases regardless of your machine spec. These days I am mostly using VsCode for development and TablePlus/Postico for database development.

> Most JetBrains products are super slow, and resource hogs > These days I am mostly using VsCode for development Please qualify the difference in speed between JetBrains and VS Code. From my perspective, they are both “super slow” and “resource hogs”.

I have a MacBook Pro with 16GB of memory and i5 processor. It is sufficient for VsCode, however for some more complex Jetbrains products I sometimes struggle to copy and paste from one file to the other. On an 8GB machine VsCode is likely struggling as well, so a resource hog as well, just less so than some JetBrains products.
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