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Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by mmastrac »

bogwog wrote: post #86
mmastrac wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's Eclipse too. It was almost always the better IDE for pure Java development. IntelliJ was always heavier and buggier whenever I tried using it.

> IntelliJ was always heavier and buggier whenever I tried using it Google switched from Eclipse to IntelliJ for Android Studio mostly because everyone hated how heavy and buggy Eclipse was.

The problem wasn't Eclipse - it was Google's plugins that were buggy. I hated the transition over to Android Studio.

Eclipse's Java core is by far the best of all Java IDEs: refactoring, auto-complete, editing, etc. IntelliJ had earlier support for Maven and Gradle, but it was always a less-polished IDE experience using Swing vs Eclipse's native windowing toolkit.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by ImPleadThe5th »

mmastrac wrote: post #60

The heavier IDEs are in real trouble given the impressive state of VS Code lately. I haven't found the need to reach for a bigger IDE than Code in a while and I've been perfectly productive in JS, C, Rust and Python projects lately. Do yourself a favour and try out Code for your next project.

I prefer Vscode to WebStorm, the plugin ecosystem is just a lot more mature, and I feel like Vscode is visually less cluttered and organized better.

But I would die before I switched away from Rider or Intellij. The auto suggestions, code smells, auto refactoring, ease of debugging, I could go on. It removes so much friction from developing that I feel like I have a hand tied behind my back when I move to anything else.

I often wonder if these people who recommend vscode as a "for everything" IDE have enough experience with the IDEs to know what they are missing by strong arming vscode into working for them.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by lolinder »

mmastrac wrote: post #78
valcron1000 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no comparison between using VSCode and IntelliJ for Java development

There's Eclipse too. It was almost always the better IDE for pure Java development. IntelliJ was always heavier and buggier whenever I tried using it.

Maybe it's improved in the past 3ish years, but the last time I had to use Eclipse for a project I couldn't stand it. It may have been lighter weight, but it was buggy and had many fewer helpful features (refactorings, inline hints, navigation). I couldn't wait to get back to intellij.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by mayama »

dragonelite wrote: post #61
mmastrac wrote: post #60

The heavier IDEs are in real trouble given the impressive state of VS Code lately. I haven't found the need to reach for a bigger IDE than Code in a while and I've been perfectly productive in JS, C, Rust and Python projects lately. Do yourself a favour and try out Code for your next project.

The language server protocol standard has really given some IDE like features to expendable text editors like Nvim and Emacs.

After using vscode for years, I've tried nvim with lunarvim starter pack and am using it more. Using vscode without mouse is always a problem even with vim plugin. On the other hand, mouse is almost useless in nvim.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by bogwog »

Jetbrains doesn’t get my money because of how much of a confusing mess their product lineup is. They have a bunch of different IDEs sold separately that ultimately seem to be identical except for language support. Why isn’t language support implemented as plugins if all the IDEs share a common framework? Last I checked, it seemed like they do have an “ultimate” version with multiple language support… except that one doesn’t support C/C++.

I was interested in buying CLion, but also needed to be able to work with Python in the same project. I couldn’t tell if that means I have to also buy the PyCharm IDE and deal with two different IDEs running at once.

It also doesn’t help that they have a subscription licensing plan. Even though they do have perpetual fallback, it doesn’t seem like a giant bloated IDE like this will hold up very long without updates.

So in the end, I just use Sublime Text. It’s far from perfect, but I can make it do nearly everything I need it to without having to strain my brain at the checkout screen.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by vfclists »

Aeolun wrote: post #64
vfclists wrote: post #49

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Not quite sure why your response is so energetic. Jetbrains products were always cheap, and now they are more expensive. I never said it’s now a bad deal. I’ve just never seen prices rise so fast. Even during the whole pandemic when China shipping basically stopped, rising prices were unnoticable. Now prices rise more, and it surprises me, that’s all.

Well I get upset when IT guys complain about stuff being not free and price hikes.

It is a pet peeve with the software developers whingeing about the cost of tools.

I guess I overreacted to your statement. I remember spending over $300 in todays money for Delphi when it first come out in 1995, and in my view it was well spent. It wasn't even in employment related then. I considered the tool useful for my personal desires.

So seeing professional people complain about the prices of tools which are extremely low-priced when adjusted for inflation kind of bugs me. As the guys said their prices haven't gone up for seven years.

If you consider JetBrains subscriptions expensive, try Delphi, or the commercial versions of Lisp and Smalltalk.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by mistrial9 »

I do not want my product checked constantly -- I want to pay for a year and then leave me alone ! The trend is towards constant monitoring and associated disconnect immediately with a monthly payment. I object to that model.

I pay for a large jetBrains product right now. Not a problem to raise the price a bit. Excellent company and products in my experience.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by Someone1234 »

mmastrac wrote: post #60

The heavier IDEs are in real trouble given the impressive state of VS Code lately. I haven't found the need to reach for a bigger IDE than Code in a while and I've been perfectly productive in JS, C, Rust and Python projects lately. Do yourself a favour and try out Code for your next project.

Unfortunately Microsoft forces .Net developers to use Visual Studio since they don't really offer a compelling .Net/C# answer in VSCode. OmniSharp exists, but outside of toying it is worse than Visual Studio Community.

A lot of developers looking for that VSCode experience are actually switching to Rider, even those who already have a Visual Studio license/MSDN via their employer. Ultimately Visual Studio is just a laggy, micro-stuttery, monolith, with a UI designed to create Forms for Visual Basic back in 1995. The x64 migration has helped, but it feels like a band-aid.

If you're doing Web Development in Asp.net Core in 2022 you don't really feel at home, not least of all because you may be using VSCode already to do TS/SASS/CSS/JS/etc.

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by mike »

mrunkel wrote: post #82
Aeolun wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, if a huge number of people renew at the current rate for 3 years that’s a nice war-chest for Jetbrains in the coming years.

I just logged into my account, I can't see a way to renew for three years. The only option I have is to switch from annual to monthly billing.

On https://account.jetbrains.com/licenses if you click "Renew" for the appropriate product then on the next page, under the Subscription dropdown there should also be a "Purchase Period" dropdown. It's probably set to "Default" rather than "1 year", but can be changed to "2 years" or "3 years". Does that option not appear for you?

Re: Increased Subscription Pricing for IDEs, .NET Tools, and the All Products Pack

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Post by pacifika »

mmastrac wrote: post #60

The heavier IDEs are in real trouble given the impressive state of VS Code lately. I haven't found the need to reach for a bigger IDE than Code in a while and I've been perfectly productive in JS, C, Rust and Python projects lately. Do yourself a favour and try out Code for your next project.

I refactored a string into a variable and vscode didn’t offer to replace any other occurrences of that string in the same file
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