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Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of American firearms (2015)

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Re: Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of American firearms (2015)

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scotty79 wrote: post #612
sb057 wrote: post #435

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>People should safely store their fire-arms, but they don't and guns get stolen and sold illegally, or used by their teenage child. This is extraordinarily rare. >People shouldn't point a gun at someone unless their life is in danger and they're prepared to take a life, but they do and people get shot by accident, or road rage turns deadly. Brandishing weapons is illegal in every state and not pointing the muzzle of…

> There's no evidence to suggest that gun ownership causes higher levels of suicide. Literally 5 seconds to google: https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/06/handgun-owner... > Additionally, suicide isn't a crime. Why would that matter? Restricting access to guns is not aimed at reducing crime, but tragedies.

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greatwhitenorth wrote: post #76

India has 4 times the population of US and I've never heard or read about a school shooting or a mass shooting. There is way worse poverty, mental illness, lawlessness, corruption at every level in India. The only difference is easy access to guns. Not sure why it's so difficult for gun worshippers in US to understand this.

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Post by 15155 »

mafro wrote: post #459

People are always saying things like "the second amendment protects my right to bear arms". So can we have another "amendment" that removes this right?

Sure! Just obtain a supermajority of state legislatures and you are free to remove rights!

Re: Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of American firearms (2015)

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Post by mahastore »

mahastore wrote: post #952
spicymaki wrote: post #944

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You are making bad assumptions here: Imagine the chaos of multiple people with guns trying to take down an assailant with the police involved. Who are the good guys here? Friendly fire happens with cops accidentally shooting hostage victims occasionally and they are well trained. Do civilians really know how to deal with hostage scenarios? Do teachers want to carry firearms to protect elementary school students? Are…

Exactly .. Here is a YouTube video who clearly knows his shit lay it out why it is NOT a good idea to arm teachers: https://youtu.be/1o1l2LQGyP8

And even though this is a sensible opinion from someone who knows , do not be surprised for some "bullet" points narrative from guns-everywhere advocates that will try to refute this ..

.. oh it has happened already :D hahahah

Re: Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of American firearms (2015)

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Post by mahastore »

dgfitz wrote: post #677
bko wrote: post #662

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> empirical evidence instead of lofty ideals The problem with a lot of anti-gun measures is that the proponents readily admit that they would not have stopped any particular shooter. For instance, people talk about background checks, but this shooter and many others did not have a history and were not known to police. They would have passes a background check. Often times the person acquiring the gun already broke a…

I was talking to my wife about this the other night and we came to the same conclusions as the points you made. What we posit at this point is: what didn’t exist in 1969? Social media. The internet. Legislation won’t change anything. Proponents of stricter gun control are being idealistic. Having kids in school right now, we are both quite concerned about the current state of affairs when it comes to school shootings…

Yes they will find a way .. it is always like that .. and so should we. It is not a perfect solution to ban AR-15s and like guns but it is an incremental solution. Opinions may vary to its effectiveness but it is 1000 percent worth a try. I don't care about someone's right to own guns like that. F** it.

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Post by renaudg »

artificialLimbs wrote: post #707
dgfitz wrote: post #677

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I was talking to my wife about this the other night and we came to the same conclusions as the points you made. What we posit at this point is: what didn’t exist in 1969? Social media. The internet. Legislation won’t change anything. Proponents of stricter gun control are being idealistic. Having kids in school right now, we are both quite concerned about the current state of affairs when it comes to school shootings…

>> what didn’t exist in 1969? Mass distribution/encouragement of antidepressants.

Again this isn't unique to the US. Shootings are.

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Post by renaudg »

hoseja wrote: post #494
librish wrote: post #89

It's time we start legislating based on empirical evidence instead of lofty ideals. Yes, if everyone was responsible perhaps it would be OK for all of us to own firearms. But so many people are utterly irresponsible, and guns make that irresponsibility lethal. People should safely store their fire-arms, but they don't and guns get stolen and sold illegally, or used by their teenage child. People shouldn't point a gun…

Hey how about tests to allow people to vote and have children. Sounds like a great idea.

You don't directly kill other people's children by either voting or having your own children.

There are tests to allow people to drive a car though.

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Post by renaudg »

ryathal wrote: post #710
fredgrott wrote: post #659

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Some points of interest: -60 percent or more US states have no gun registration, I know as I live in Indiana which changed to a no gun registration state despite objections from their own citizens and cops. -Among religious right guns are seen as a male status symbols -Can we cure this economically by requiring liability insurance in addition to gun registration? It work by, if you have a past history of danger signs…

Liability insurance just means rich people have guns. the people who would most benefit from guns for self defense, low income people in high crime areas, would be excluded from gun ownership due to excessive costs. The police also aren't the answer as they have no duty to actually protect you, and have shown repeatedly that they will simply wait for overwhelming force while a shooter is killing people. Gun registrat…

> the people who would most benefit from guns for self defense, low income people in high crime areas

In fact nobody benefits. IIRC owning a gun increases your odds of being shot dead by 3-4x.

> Registrations don't stop anything and only serve to create more criminals from otherwise innocent people if they don't file paperwork on time.

It works everywhere else in the world.

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Post by renaudg »

axiomsEnd wrote: post #688
bspammer wrote: post #575

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Every other developed country on the planet not having this problem is a pretty big hint.

The problem is that USA is already full of unlicensed guns and very specific gun ownership culture. In countries with relatively easy access to guns and low number of similar (Czech Republic comes to mind), gun ownership and it's culture were build on diffrent foundation, so you can't just copy this solutions to USA.

> The problem is that USA is already full of unlicensed guns

The Uvalde shooter purchased his weapon a few days prior. Most school shooters do. Anything making that harder helps.

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Post by renaudg »

lliamander wrote: post #914
BobbyJo wrote: post #685

I think a good first step everyone can agree on to stop gun violence is: stop it's gamification. Almost every mass shooting in the last decade was someone looking for media attention and high score. And yet, every shooting is followed by detailed biography and a tally of bodies. Something as simple as a one month moratorium on information for anyone outside the community would probably work wonders, as the public eye…

I agree, but I also think a more controversial step is needed: eliminate gun free zones. If the expected outcome of an attempted mass shooting is a quick and ignominious death it will be a major deterrent. Teachers and administrators have been voluntarily carrying concealed firearms in Utah for roughly a decade.

Uvalde police let the shooter do its thing for an hour because they feared being outgunned by his AR-15.

Tell us again how giving a firearm to Betty the school lunch lady will help in any way ?

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