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Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of American firearms (2015)

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#911
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Its because buying a gun is a civil right. Smoking is not. That said, the 21yo requirement may be unconstitutional as well.

The 2nd amendment does not actually say anything about purchasing. It could be 100 % satisfied with all sorts of kooky schemes that meet the letter of the law.

It's covered under the "shall not be infringed" part.

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#912
post #445

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>Banning guns altogether (rather improbable) will only leave law abiding citizens at the mercy of criminals. Is that statement true though? The only person I know who owns a gun is a farmer and he never shot a criminal but wild boars. In the countries I lived(2 Western Europe, 1 Eastern Europe, 1 Middle East) no one I know ever shot at any criminals, any criminals were dealt through the police, we actually never saw…

It's exceptionally rare to shoot at criminals or even to use a gun in self defense. When a person in the United States purchases a gun, the three most likely occurrences where that gun will be used to shoot a human are: 1. suicide 2. murdering a romantic partner 3. murdering a stranger after an argument or while the owner is committing a crime Harvard has a good site that summarizes current research on how guns are u…

Per the CDC, defensive gun uses are estimated in the hundreds of thousands per year. It is not "exceptionally" rare to use a gun for self defense (even if actually killing someone with a gun in self-defense is relatively rare).

Re: Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of American firearms (2015)

#913

Step 1: repeal the Second Amendment. There's never going to be useful progress here until America unsticks from the idea that the right to arm yourself belongs in the same category as the right to free speech or due process.

> Step 1: repeal the Second Amendment.

Will never happen in this lifetime.

Re: Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of American firearms (2015)

#914

I think a good first step everyone can agree on to stop gun violence is: stop it's gamification. Almost every mass shooting in the last decade was someone looking for media attention and high score. And yet, every shooting is followed by detailed biography and a tally of bodies. Something as simple as a one month moratorium on information for anyone outside the community would probably work wonders, as the public eye…

I agree, but I also think a more controversial step is needed: eliminate gun free zones.

If the expected outcome of an attempted mass shooting is a quick and ignominious death it will be a major deterrent.

Teachers and administrators have been voluntarily carrying concealed firearms in Utah for roughly a decade.

Re: Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of American firearms (2015)

#915

One side of the issue is gun availability. The other side is that the American culture has a toxic side which can drive lonely young men to perform despicable acts. Imagine being a lonely young boy, growing up getting bullied all the time, being told you amount to nothing, and it's your fault, and at the same time, while everyone around you is deep into corruption and sin, they preach to you that you should be sinles…

Most mass shooters come from single parent households or dysfunctional family homes. U.S families vary and many don't live near other family members where they can get help and American communities are not like other cultures or countries where they are involved in raising children. So if a child's immediate family has issues, there isn't an alternative for that child to to go to to help or for a positive role model.…

>90s when you started to have many latch key kids coming of age from homes where parents were never around

If you think that only started in the 90s then you should probably go talk to rural communities about their parent's generation

Re: Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of American firearms (2015)

#916

More guns equate to more deaths... it's pretty simple to understand. As a veteran not that it matters, most people I've interacted with in terms of guns see them as toys and they really like their toys. If you were to make people do a week of range training like the military, well, I don't think most people would be gun owners.

> More guns equate to more deaths... it's pretty simple to understand.

False.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2016/01/10/guns-and-states-2-son-...

Re: Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of American firearms (2015)

#917
post #40

As a foreigner, I do not see it as productive to seek any explanation or expect any reaction when yet another news story like this comes along. It's clear that this is the way Americans wish to live, and it is their perogative to do so.

I don't think the opinion of someone with no skin in the game, who only gets their information from the news, and doesn't know much about firearms to be worth all that much.

Re: Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of American firearms (2015)

#918
post #83

Canada is the U.S.'s neighbour and is probably closer, culturally, than any other nation. Gun ownership is also high in Canada. In terms of guns per capita, the U.S. is #1 by a long shot, but Canada is #7 [1]. In Canada, guns owned per capita is one third of what it is in the U.S.. Canada also has mass shootings. The annual deaths from mass shootings per capita in Canada is 0.032, which is about one third that of the…

"Where many U.S. states permit concealed carry of handguns, handguns are virtually illegal to carry in Canada. Transporting them from your home to the range is legal, but they must be unloaded, locked, and permits are required for the transport." I see no mechanism by which those laws would reduce mass shootings. A mass shooter would simply ignore them. The other policies you mention may be more relevant, but it goes…

> I see no mechanism by which those laws would reduce mass shootings. A mass shooter would simply ignore them.

And that's what happened in the past. It's almost as if criminals were... not following the law!

Re: Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of American firearms (2015)

#919

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What if cars were legislated like guns? What the GP meant, clearly, was "what if gun users were regulated like car users", e.g. requiring training and a license. IMHO this fits the "part of a well-regulated militia" clause that people always ignore. If I had to guess, this clause was there specifically to prevent unstable people from getting firearms, since your fellow militia members are probably not going to want…

Yes. And anyone who makes such a statement clearly doesn't have a grasp on the issue -- either of what a civil right is, or how guns and cars are regulated. If guns were regulated like cars, there would be no background check to buy a gun. A felony would not disqualify you from gun ownership. Schools would teach marksmanship starting at age 15, and you could get a license to carry at sixteen, recognized by all states…

>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The right, as written, includes the phrase "A well regulated Militia". This is the only right that includes the word "regulated". Personally, I would be in favor of a highly distributed form of regulation, similar to the "jury of your peers" system: to own a gun, you must join a militia, and it's up to that militia to determine if you're the type of person to randomly murder children or not. (This is similar to the idea I proposed after 9/11 that passengers be required to socially mingle with each other, and then (privately) share concerns with the airline or TSA. That is, the people with the most to lose are the best defense against these kinds of threats).

Re: Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of American firearms (2015)

#920
post #282

How about having a mandatory committee that seriously investigates {physical, social, cyber, etc.}-bullying more instead of just ignoring it? We can both work on stringent gun laws and take the mental health of children/teenagers more seriously. There is a clear pattern of which demographic of people consistently commit such crimes. Using this subset of gun owners to dictate gun ownership policies is going to be a ho…

> How about having a mandatory committee that seriously investigates {physical, social, cyber, etc.}-bullying more instead of just ignoring it?

Because that's actually hard, and requires a culture change. Much easier to simply add extra regulations (that criminals will ignore) for the average law abiding citizen and get reelected claiming you "did something".

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