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Former Xinjiang prisoner arrives in U.S. as key witness to abuses
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#272Earlier quoted context omitted.
So you have no problem trusting statistics from a warmongering country with world's highest incarceration rate, and very obvious racial skew among those imprisoned (those fortunate enough to not be shot on the street by police), but you up front assume that it's the Chinese statistics that can't be trusted.
Please, tell us all the FOIA equivalent in China, and the laws protecting freedom of the press to promulgate that data.
You mean, the mechanism that allows one to ask government for something, and for the government to deny that information for whatever reason?
Okay, show me some example. US Air Force droning a wedding, where can I find information about that? Drone video recordings, perpetrators' names etc? Let me guess - that's "national security" and can't be public. And that's somehow different from how it works in China (if China was droning random civilians that is).
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#273Earlier quoted context omitted.
The point is that you forget all the inconvenient facts - from American national guard murdering students in broad daylight, without any kind of punishment afterwards, to secret military kangaroo courts - and build your arguments on plain ignorance ("China has none of that").
In the US, we can acknowledge those "inconvenient facts", freely discuss them, educate people about them, push for accountability for those who did them and to change policies so that they do not happen again.
Nice theory, doesn't work. Weed was made illegal to suppress ethnic minorities and war protesters, 50 years later that law is still serving the same purpose. Meanwhile US lawmakers are busy denying voting rights to those same minorities, and making it illegal to teach inconvenient parts of american history.
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#274Re: Former Xinjiang prisoner arrives in U.S. as key witness to abuses
#275Earlier quoted context omitted.
> China, on the other hand, isn't exterminating those people up front. That is an interesting argument. I guess delayed death is slightly less bad. Fair enough.
Incarcerating someone for a few months is "delayed death"?
No, but harvesting their organs is.
www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2021/07/08/united-nations-concerned-about-organ-harvesting-in-china/amp/
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#276Earlier quoted context omitted.
Incarcerating someone for a few months is "delayed death"?
No, but harvesting their organs is. www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2021/07/08/united-nations-concerned-about-organ-harvesting-in-china/amp/
It would be, if it was true. So far, the only source is the "China Tribunal" - a private NGO operating without any kind of legal mandate or even oversight, which to me looks like a propaganda outlet masquerading as a proper law institution.
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#277Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, because I doubt very much that it was "a lack of oversight". He pretty much must have had support for what he was doing. There's a difference between not noticing something occasionally weird and mass sterilization.
> No, because I doubt very much that it was "a lack of oversight". He pretty much must have had support for what he was doing. There's a difference between not noticing something occasionally weird and mass sterilization. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/21/congress-ice... : > At least 43 women at Irwin county detention center (ICDC), in Georgia, have now alleged misconduct by Amin. He is accused of opera…
If you click through to the compliant it's not claimed that only 43 women had issues, but instead every woman that doctor came into contact with. They were only able to track down 43 women after ICE started covering their tracks.
> Everybody he sees has a hysterectomy—just about everybody.
Nurse Wooten, who filed the whistleblower complaint.
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#278Earlier quoted context omitted.
I did not mention anything about "truth". Truth is a myth, especially in this era. What I did talk about, was how the average people in China think about all these. Note that all "genocide" evidence present here, is available in China (not as raw material maybe, but referenced and discussed). It's very different from tank man, which is hidden in public discussion. And since you mentioned, tank man (89 incident as we…
>Truth is a myth, especially in this era. War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Truth is Myth?
Well, I'm not a native speaker, so my wording might be incorrect. What I meant is the general concept of truth is socially constructed.
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#279I do wonder who pays to have all these comments put on hacker news. This happens a lot on Russia-related threads as well. Or is it just some nationality who learned incorrect history. On the Russia-related threads I would've put it to people from India as there's a big tech group there and they speak English and their country is cozy with Russia, but they wouldn't be defending China.
We recently had a discussion on good-faith communication here on HN. In my opinion, it's perfectly OK for commenters to compare issues in Russia or China with issues in Europe or the US. And I can also relate that people in the US have a stronger opinion on fixing US issues than on fixing issues in China. If someone writes: "Let's fix discrimination close to where I live first!", that is not necessarily a bad thing o…
I don't in fact believe that many of the comments in this thread are at all in the sense of "good-faith communication".
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#280Earlier quoted context omitted.
Since when does it take a pro-Western stance to condemn a war, terrible atrocities and genocides? What, non-Westerners lack a moral compass or compassion?
>Since when does it take a pro-Western stance to condemn a war It takes a pro-Western stance to condemn Russia for invading Ukraine under false pretense but celebrate America invading Iraq under false pretenses (a war in which literally hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians were killed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War ).
Except no one is doing that other than you and people who want to change the topic to America even though America has nothing to do with the topic.
Sure if there was an article talking about what a great job the US is doing with foreign policy it's fair game to bring up times when the US had bad foreign policy.