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Former Xinjiang prisoner arrives in U.S. as key witness to abuses

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Post by seizethegdgap »

logicchains wrote: post #53
sofixa wrote: post #41

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Since when does it take a pro-Western stance to condemn a war, terrible atrocities and genocides? What, non-Westerners lack a moral compass or compassion?

>Since when does it take a pro-Western stance to condemn a war It takes a pro-Western stance to condemn Russia for invading Ukraine under false pretense but celebrate America invading Iraq under false pretenses (a war in which literally hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians were killed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War ).

Terrible straw-man. No one in here is celebrating the invasion of Iraq.

Re: Former Xinjiang prisoner arrives in U.S. as key witness to abuses

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Post by blueflow »

BobbyJo wrote: post #75
blueflow wrote: post #62

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> housed Normal numbers are zero. > Also, the U.S. didn't 'get away with' Guantanamo Who ended up in prison for it?

> Normal numbers are zero. Name a government that hasn't abused it's power at one point. Not sure what your definition of normal is in this instance. > Who ended up in prison for it? I'd be ok if China simply stopped what they are doing without sending anyone to prison. To answer your question though, no one. It's hard to prosecute individuals for an organization's failings without dismantling the organization, which…

I'd be okay if the US simply stopped invading some countries or toppling random governments every 5 years.

Many people of the rest of the world wish for the responsible US politicians to be put away. I hope the American perpetrators find similar ends.

Its an awful kind of mockery to see the US displaying themselves as the hand of justice in the Xinjiang situation. I wish countries like the Netherlands or Switzerland would do it instead, their hands are much, much cleaner.

This is the same kind of mockery as having Saudi Arabia on the UN panel for womens rights.

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Post by VictorPath »

kryptiskt wrote: post #81

For all the faults of the western world, we will have to serve as the preserver of the record of all these abuses in countries that don't allow anything but the official version to spread. It should be noted that without the international news of the Uyghur repression there wouldn't even be an official version from the Chinese government, they were silent about it until it became big. We can't do a lot for the Uyghur…

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Re: Former Xinjiang prisoner arrives in U.S. as key witness to abuses

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Post by [deleted] »

lom wrote: post #54
lr4444lr wrote: post #42

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I don't recall any US prison in the last 70+ years where people on the order of a million people, largely from a single region or ethnicity, were imprisoned on suspicion of mere affiliation. Every country probably has a signature few cases of prosecution that may provoke our indignation. That's not the same as putting people into prison because their religious beliefs make them enemies of the state.

https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/japanese-america...

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Re: Former Xinjiang prisoner arrives in U.S. as key witness to abuses

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Post by tabokie »

NmAmDa wrote: post #86
tabokie wrote: post #40

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I'm glad you mentioned. Those satellite images are jokes to most Chinese people. In fact, the western media's coverage of Xinjiang has demonstrated your hypocrisy to those of us who didn't know it before. After this, I think it's safe to say that western mainstream media has lost its credibility in China. Some of us (not me) don't even believe Bucha massacre, just because we heard it from your mouths. Just for your c…

Excuse me, but why would we take what most Chinese people believe as a factor when trying to verify or understand their government actions against Muslim minority? I mean not to say that Chinese people that most of them probably never heared (or cannot) of the tank man would be a good judgment about truth which the government are hiding on a regular basis.

I did not mention anything about "truth". Truth is a myth, especially in this era.

What I did talk about, was how the average people in China think about all these. Note that all "genocide" evidence present here, is available in China (not as raw material maybe, but referenced and discussed). It's very different from tank man, which is hidden in public discussion.

And since you mentioned, tank man (89 incident as we call it), is actually a well-known fact (I might be biased, but since high school, my peer occasionally talked about it). It's just forbidden to talk about it in public.

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Post by shkkmo »

DigitalSea wrote: post #65

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I am absolutely sick of this attitude.

People disagreeing with you does not make them a Russian bot or a Chinese shill.

Making that accusation baselessly degrades the conversation while contributing nothing.

Re: Former Xinjiang prisoner arrives in U.S. as key witness to abuses

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Post by Bancakes »

lui8906 wrote: post #55
Bancakes wrote: post #34

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What's the alternative? Someone commits a felony, and then you...?

> What's the alternative? Someone commits a felony, and then you...? The US is the OECD country with the highest per capita % of incarcerated individuals. By orders of magnitude. So it seems other countries have found other approaches? > Source: Half of the OECD countries have less than 100 people in prison per 100 000 inhabitants. Thirteen have between 100 and 200. Two countries exceed this – Poland with 230 and the…

They haven't. USA simply has rampant crime unheard of in the EU short of the jungles refugee centres are (non-ukrainian).

Re: Former Xinjiang prisoner arrives in U.S. as key witness to abuses

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Post by NmAmDa »

okl wrote: post #77
NmAmDa wrote: post #67

It is clear that many people (sometimes with good intentions) would bring this logic to any discussion about this matter. . China is having their Muslim population put into camps and they live in a horrible injustice situation. They are targeted because of their religion /ethnicity. Chinese government saying that US is being hypocrite because they did so and so in Iraq and whatever happened after 9/11 from abuses..et…

> Chinese government saying that US is being hypocrite because they did so and so in Iraq and whatever happened after 9/11 from abuses. That is an argument against abuse, not in favor. What are their arguments to support their actions?

Chinese government (propaganda) is usually deploying this logic to suppress the discussion about their actions. It is a wide spread tactic that we see everyday. It is not like china is ever interested in helping people in Iraq, Afghanistan.. they could just stop doing the same (if not worse) as a good well gesture.
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