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An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by Drblessing »

gerbilly wrote: post #264
Barrin92 wrote: post #145

Kind of crazy how sentimental and emotional the response is with barely any actual discussion going on about the merits of this on a grand scale. Yes, stories about people's dogs and temporary economic depression are awful. The larger picture is that China by pursuing these policies has stopped millions of deaths, probably tens of millions of cases of long term disabilities, and overall kept the economy going. It's w…

Maybe this site needs an 'Are you a Robot' captcha because you sound like one. Geez. How cold do you have to be to not understand that being imprisoned or not being able to feed your children might make you 'emotional?'

Agreed. Also, he gives no evidence of claims. Lockdowns don't work [1].

[1] https://weartv.com/news/local/study-from-johns-hopkins-univ-...

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Post by 0xy »

ImaCake wrote: post #39
jdrc wrote: post #26

Little weird to be talking about peopel starving and lacking meds, but then again they re able to find fresh fish. Anyway, i wonder what this pattern of isolatation can create in terms of covid variants which may develop in china or australia but which haven't been introduced to the rest of world this season.

Well Australia is open and has been for a while. As far as I know there were no novel variants that were found first here because the lockdowns suppressed case numbers and besides, there is only 25 million Australians. We have the same variants as the rest of the world, except most Australians don't know anyone who has died from COVID.

All you had to do to 'achieve' this was sacrifice the education of the young, decimate small business, prevent citizens from leaving the country (you know, against the UN Declaration of Human Rights, which Australia signed and violated) and unleash police on the citizenry for peacefully protesting.

Australian police fired rubber bullets at peaceful assemblers [1], violently threw a compliant man to the ground causing brain damage [2], pepper spraying old women [3] and arresting people for the crime of... suggesting a protest [4]

After all this, massive damage was done to mental health to the point 1 in 10 residents in the lockdown capital Victoria seriously considered suicide. [5]

With all this damage and the decimation of civil liberties, it's hard to justify the measures. Especially not when you set fire to UN human rights standards to do so.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/21/victo...

[2] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-29/victorian-police-offi...

[3] https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/watch-moment-...

[4] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-04/victoria-police-arres...

[5] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-25/one-in-10-victorians-...

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by hans1729 »

chasd00 wrote: post #285

With omicron isn’t a zero Covid policy a fools errand? As the virus mutates into ever more infectious variants a zero-Covid policy becomes impossibe.

Since Sinovac is basically useless (about half as effective against the original virus, much less vs delta and omicron), China seems to come to the conclusion that letting Omicron run through would have worse consequences than the lockdowns. It’s a fucked situation.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by chasd00 »

simonh wrote: post #200
Barrin92 wrote: post #145

Kind of crazy how sentimental and emotional the response is with barely any actual discussion going on about the merits of this on a grand scale. Yes, stories about people's dogs and temporary economic depression are awful. The larger picture is that China by pursuing these policies has stopped millions of deaths, probably tens of millions of cases of long term disabilities, and overall kept the economy going. It's w…

It's true in terms of organisation and discipline I never believed they would be as successful as they were, but they did it. My wife's home town was locked down for a while due to having I think 8 cases of Delta, but after about 2 months the city was open again. The problem is they have bet the whole farm on that strategy, and Omicron is infectious enough that lockdowns even of the kind China has used so far may not…

> their best hope is that a very infectious but also very mild variant comes along and immunises their population for them

Is that not Omicron?

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Post by 0xy »

gerbilly wrote: post #268
geraldyo wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think they wouldn't be able to keep you inside a house?

Yes, they could, but could they keep everyone in a city of millions in their houses though?

Yes. It's happened before. After the Boston Marathon bombing there was a "shelter-in-place" order given that prevented anyone from leaving their homes, and subjected residents to military rule (including door-to-door warrantless searches).

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Post by maxerickson »

lvl102 wrote: post #167
ImaCake wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia and New Zealand tried lockdowns against Delta. They didn't work until vaccination rates got high enough. Then omicron came and not even 90% vax rates were enough to stop the spread. So the vaccines without lockdowns is more a pragmatic move because lockdowns stopped working. Besides, the vaccines work, there just isn't the same need to have lockdowns anymore. AU and NZ lockdowns were less ugly than this Sha…

I think we need to stop calling MRNA solutions vaccines because they are gene therapies. You need regular administration for them to be effective on a public health level which is not logistically feasible as we found out. They know this but they’re playing along as a matter of publicity and politics. We got incredibly lucky with Omicron.

The mRNA vaccines literally expose your immune system to a foreign antigen, the longstanding definition of a vaccine. They use a nice trick to get your own body to manufacture the antigen, but it's not gene therapy, they don't go anywhere your genes, they give ribosomes some extra instructions.

The boosters have been extremely effective at preventing severe infections, which is plenty useful for public health even if it isn't as good as preventing transmission entirely.

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Post by thisiscorrect »

chasd00 wrote: post #285

With omicron isn’t a zero Covid policy a fools errand? As the virus mutates into ever more infectious variants a zero-Covid policy becomes impossibe.

Yes. But it was also a fool's errand before omicron. Has there ever been a recorded instance of eliminating a respiratory infection before?
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