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An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by HWR_14 »

rtpg wrote: post #202
makomk wrote: post #61

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There was no magic money tree. It took a while for the effects to spread to the whole of the economy - perhaps because people were in lockdown and limited in their ability to spend money - but throughout the western world people's incomes have been dropping in real inflation-adjusted terms. There's no way that they couldn't; a large chunk of the economy was shut down and producing nothing, so there's just plain less…

$2000 one time checks are not what is causing inflation. Extended unemployment insurance... I doubt it. Inflation right now is happening because logistics are messed up. Yeah, turns out that when things get messy then the price of things go up, cuz it's harder to get things done.

It had more to do with the hundreds of billions of loans to rich people to keep companies open. That don't have to be repaid. And went predominantly to fraud.

I really hope the DoJ sets up a task force and starts sending people to jail. We can let out some people who smoked dope if we need more cells.

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Post by noduerme »

mike_h wrote: post #242
refurb wrote: post #212

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China reports almost as high a vaccination rate as Singapore which has vaccinated 97% of its eligible population.

I forgot which numbers I saw, but yeah their overall rate is high. The problem is that so many of the remaining unvaccinated are elderly, so if they start getting sick they’ll get it bad and overload the system.

Another problem is that the efficacy rate of Sinovac is far lower than that of the mRNA vaccines in preventing illness, although it still drastically reduces severe disease.

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Post by briandear »

Barrin92 wrote: post #145

Kind of crazy how sentimental and emotional the response is with barely any actual discussion going on about the merits of this on a grand scale. Yes, stories about people's dogs and temporary economic depression are awful. The larger picture is that China by pursuing these policies has stopped millions of deaths, probably tens of millions of cases of long term disabilities, and overall kept the economy going. It's w…

I lived in Shanghai for many years. One of my kids was born there. The Shanghai of the 2010s is the not the Shanghai of today. The author of this piece is spot on. Shanghai especially was not subject to the same extreme of “collectivist” policies of most of the country — it is/was almost the new Hong Kong — a lot of innovation and entrepreneurship. It is/was a significant engine of Chinese innovation and source of wealth and prestige for the rest of the country.

And suggesting these policies saved millions? That’s just not supported by any evidence. Cape Town didn’t have millions of deaths from Omnicron — nor did any other major world city where Omnicron showed up.

This is a communist flex — an opportunity to remind the Shanghainese that Beijing calls the shots. Lockdowns are a political tool disguised as a public health tool — much like lockdowns everywhere.

Still hard to believe that governments are getting away with the war in Eastasia (or was it Eurasia?) What an epilogue to 1984 we’re seeing!

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Post by gerbilly »

Barrin92 wrote: post #145

Kind of crazy how sentimental and emotional the response is with barely any actual discussion going on about the merits of this on a grand scale. Yes, stories about people's dogs and temporary economic depression are awful. The larger picture is that China by pursuing these policies has stopped millions of deaths, probably tens of millions of cases of long term disabilities, and overall kept the economy going. It's w…

Maybe this site needs an 'Are you a Robot' captcha because you sound like one.

Geez. How cold do you have to be to not understand that being imprisoned or not being able to feed your children might make you 'emotional?'

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Post by roenxi »

somewhereoutth wrote: post #156
xienze wrote: post #140

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/ Find me another country on earth whose numbers look even remotely like this.

It is a testament to the effectiveness of a zero Covid policy rigorously applied. Taiwan has similar figures. Could have been us too!

> Taiwan has similar figures.

Taiwan has 20 million people, an island fortress and is a world-leading example of COVID containment policies. China could not have achieved the result they claim to, as the per capita numbers are laughable and they are also not an island fortress.

China contains about 1/8th of the worlds population and massive land borders, the policy response cannot have been as well coordinated as Taiwan's; there has to have been at least one province somewhere that screwed up badly. There will have been large unreported outbreaks.

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Post by ascar »

lordnacho wrote: post #258
ascar wrote: post #153

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Can you make formula from other ingredients? You can let a baby drink from another women's breast though. That's how they did it in the past, when a mother wasn't producing enough milk. It was an actual job called wet nurse [1]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet_nurse

That other woman would need to eat something to make milk too. Plus she'd need to be recently pregnant.

> That other woman would need to eat something to make milk too.

Well, eating something is much easier than replicating the composition of baby milk (i.e. making formula).

I already answered your second point in a sibling comment. Though inducing lactation without pregnancy is actually possible according to my linked Wikipedia article. But that's not what I was thinking about when writing my comment.

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Post by briandear »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #259
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #229

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It is likely lockdowns achieve very little, only delaying the inevitable surge of cases and deaths for a later date. Also, they lie about their numbers. Locked down population with restructed internet access and no independent media can lose 50% to an epidemy and we'll know nothing.

Lockdowns achieve exactly what they are meant to achieve: they stop the spread of disease. This is mainly aimed at avoiding uncontrolled surges and collapse of the healthcare system and is effective for that. However, indeed, this must be 'step 1' and combined with a broader strategy of vaccination and controlled exposure to the virus otherwise you only end up with an infinite cycle of lockdowns. One issue in China i…

With such high vaccination rates in many places why didn’t we see a corresponding reduction in Covid infections? Why are vaccinated people getting infected?

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Post by gerbilly »

geraldyo wrote: post #159
gerbilly wrote: post #146

It seems like condos and apartments can easily be turned into prisons. I'm glad I live in a house, even if it is in north america.

Do you think they wouldn't be able to keep you inside a house?

Yes, they could, but could they keep everyone in a city of millions in their houses though?

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Post by ngcc_hk »

Barrin92 wrote: post #145

Kind of crazy how sentimental and emotional the response is with barely any actual discussion going on about the merits of this on a grand scale. Yes, stories about people's dogs and temporary economic depression are awful. The larger picture is that China by pursuing these policies has stopped millions of deaths, probably tens of millions of cases of long term disabilities, and overall kept the economy going. It's w…

The larger picture is that they think they can do it like Great Leap Forward. That sone human can just do thing their ways ignoring other humans, nature and reality. It might work for awhile. Just like Soviet Union and mao. It would not.

Where is the injection? With only a 50% effective vaccine which pass its days even with last variant? That we take the weakness as the strength. And when the weakness finally shown it is just another lock down.

May be chinese like to die in a totalitarian country, but many do want to live in a free society.

That is the big picture. Of humanity.

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Post by api »

This is what annoys me about the US COVID protesters. We really didn’t have lockdowns in the US. A lockdown is when you have curfews, can’t go out, can’t travel at all, etc. I saw little of that in the US and what was there was sparsely enforced to the point of being not much more than a suggestion.
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