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Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by nullifidian »

inglor_cz wrote: post #91
mytailorisrich wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why can't they remain part of Russia like they historically were (well, I mean since Russia took over form the Tatars, of course) and seem to want? It's not because Russia has taken Crimea back in a rather cavalier way that they should be split again just to weaken Russia. This can only perpetuate resentment and problems.

They can, if they prefer to, but in order to achieve lasting peace in the Black Sea, Crimea should IMHO be demilitarized. Having Russian military bases on their south flank is a major security problem for Ukraine.

On what basis are you fantasizing about demilitarization of a nuclear state? How would that work? I hate Putin as much as the next person, but nothing will happen to the Russia proper -- they'll start throwing nukes, tactical first, then strategic.

Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by lumost »

q1w2 wrote: post #172
Fiahil wrote: post #162

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2003, if I recall correctly ?

Nope: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq#Coalitio...

The same claim could be made of Russia/Belarus or the Warsaw Pact invasions.

Ultimately the US contributed well over 90% of the combat force in 2003.

Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by tada131 »

sidibe wrote: post #180
tada131 wrote: post #170

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We are using our aviation too accurate for conventional war. As result, we've lost some (2..4) of our decent aircrafts. What supply chains do we need to use more (not ~15) bombers on higher altitudes, e.g. sacrificing precision for being protected from almost-dead Ukrainian ADS ("Buk"s or Stingers, maybe some S-300 near Kyiv)?

What makes you think Ukraine ADS is almost dead, they seem to have shooting down aircraft pretty frequently and are being resupplied by Europe

AFAIK, they are resupplied with Stinger ADS only, if you know more, pls tell me. Yesterday we lost 1 aircraft in Kharkiv, which was bombing on terribly low altitude to preserve precision. Two days ago we lost one AC in Chernigyv, same situation here. Oryx reports 11 lost aircrafts during war, there are some listed whose nobody can prove (IMO about a half). Im not telling you that its a fake, but that resource definitely sometimes agrees with official Kyiv information.

Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by orwin »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #93
Giorgi wrote: post #69

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This is inaccurate information, Russia fought both wars in Georgia, currently Abkhazians and Ossetians are Russian citizens (they grabbed Russian passports as soon as they become available) so they will go back to their motherland Russia, Georgia will re-absorb it's own historical territory. Looks like you are spreading Russian propaganda in bad faith.

Oh so you're saying that Georgia wants to forcibly take those territories and go full ethnic cleansing (That's how I read what you wrote, I'm not trying it on)? If so, they might indeed prefer to have the Russian army around...

I've hosted Ossetians (well, my mother did) back in the days. There is actually a huge diaspora in France, and even when they are deeply religious, they do hate Russia with a passion I've never felt with anyone else. So I'm quite disbelieving this kind of statements, maybe my vision is skewed by my experience.

Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by oblio »

env123 wrote: post #107

It's just a declaration of core claim, it's not like Japan will actually do something about it at this point. When Japan is finally free from the shackles of western hegemony and able to build up militarily like it used to, then it might do something about it. Remember, geopolitics is about perception of power and "alliances", nothing to do with morality or freedom

Japan is one blink of an eye of passing from the "shackles of Westerner hegemony" (that among other things at one point made it the 2nd largest economy on the planet for a country only 50% bigger than Romania...) into the loving arms of the Chinese juggernaut.

Be careful what you wish, because it might come true :-)

Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by xxs »

thombat wrote: post #110
xxs wrote: post #47

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>Kaliningrad could transform to a puppet state of the EU, removing a serious gap in its territorial contiguity. EU is not a country and to my knowledge none of the neighbors wants to join that territory. It's quite a poor region with Russian population... Germans effectively left in the late 40s'

"Germans effectively left" makes it sound almost voluntary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evacuation_of_East_Prussia#K%C...

Of course, but I tend not to rely on quotes in some cases. It's quite obvious it was not their intention.

Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by tada131 »

myko wrote: post #174
tada131 wrote: post #151

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What generals?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/08/vitaly-gerasim... >> The intelligence arm of the Ukrainian defence ministry said Maj Gen Vitaly Gerasimov, chief of staff of the 41st Army, had been killed outside the eastern Ukrainian city of Kharkiv, along with other senior officers. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/andrei-sukho... >> Andrei Sukhovetsky was the commanding general of the Russian 7th Airbo…

RIP

Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by JohnBooty »

golergka wrote: post #183
rjzzleep wrote: post #18

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Just yesterday I was thinking: What if we piss off a nuclear power all around the world now? Wouldn't that be fortunate timing to solve global warming? FTFY. I mean sure we only have another 50 years before the planet is unlivable for us, but why desperately try to accelerate it? EDIT: here is Russias military doctrine from 2000 https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2000-05/russias-military-doc...

> nuclear power Is it though? Russian conventional army has clearly been devastated by corruption and bad administration, as the generals and staff didn't anticipate that it would actually be used in a real all-out war. What makes you think that nuclear forces are in better shape?

There's a significant chance their nuclear weapons are in absolute shambles, but who wants to call that bluff?

Additionally, even if their nuclear forces are in shambles, it really only takes a single launch to set off nuclear war. It's not like their entire nuclear force needs to function in order for the world to see a very bad outcome.

Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by russianshill »

EGreg wrote: post #146
HWR_14 wrote: post #131

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When is the last time the US annexed land or tried to?

Hawaii? Philippines / Guam / etc? Guantanamo? Panama canal? But I see Russia invading and occupying, not annexing (unless you mean stationing troops in the “independent” regions). They specifically disavow annexing unless the government refuses to negotiate and sign a peace agreement. They already did this exact playbook in the Russo-Georgian war, down to defending the two breakaway republics, the provocations, the “…

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Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by belter »

chockchocschoir wrote: post #125
belter wrote: post #9

Russian Migs to "accidentally" cross into Japanese airspace in 3 days... Edit: Of course as follow-up to this accidental event of 6 days ago... "Japan says Russian helicopter violated airspace, scrambles fighter jet" https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2022/03/02/japan-rus...

To be fair, this is not something that just happened recently, nor just in Japan (nor just by Russia). Airspace of multiple nations gets violated multiple times per year by multiple nations, all the time. Although the timing makes it a bit suspected, I'm sure it's just a general test of "readiness", which happens often.

It would seem Russia has more than 300 of these incidents just in 2019.

"NATO says Russian aircraft violated European airspace nearly 300 times in 2019" https://taskandpurpose.com/news/russian-aircraft-violate-eur...

However I cannot recall any incidents of the type:

"French Mirages violate Russian Airspace"

"Swedish Grippens's buzz Russian Cruiser..."

or

"UK Jets cross into Russian airspace"

Not saying they do not happen, just that I can't recall any. Do you have some examples?

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