> For those still looking to help, Ukrainian journalists have recommended several charities
Why journalists should be deciding where funds should go?
On the removal of Come Back Alive
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Please note that the 80BTC you're talking about comes from one transaction, not many. Seems most donations are under or around 0.01 BTC, but one of them was for 80 BTC. From another comment of mine here:
> While they are in fact receiving lots of BTC, one transaction sticks out (80 BTC, 2022-02-25 09:55:18 [3,067,846.41 USD]), I wonder who has that much BTC to give away like that. It is impressive, but raises a lot of questions.
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#214Russian visitors of my foss project ( https://www.filestash.app/ ) now see the message of peace address to them by president Zelenskyy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwzb_JX7u04
FYI, after opening your page in the same tab (by accident) as HN, I couldn’t get back to HN, going back a page just ended up looping back to your site. I absolutely hate when websites do that (messing with expected behavior), please consider fixing it. (On iOS)
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> But that does not make it an absolute truth. There we have that false balance thing again. It's documented bullshit, so you can choose to just see it as my opinion, but NATO has a couple of articles formulated especially to deal with aggression like this. To posit that joining an alliance - which didn't happen, another simple fact - because you are afraid of your aggressive neighbor is the cause of the aggression i…
> I've seen first hand what life under Russia looks like, there is no way this is going to be whitewashed. I'm really not trying to whitewash anything. I have friends in the Ukraine and I'm fearing for their live right now - and, to be honest, a bit for mine, since this conflict is really close to escalating near my actual home. The last thing I want to do is to condone Russian aggression. My point is that it's reall…
> My point is that it's really easy to get lost once you accept violence as good.
I don't think any normal person believes that violence is good. It's the last option on the table. But it is an option.
> and, to be honest, a bit for mine, since this conflict is really close to escalating near my actual home. The last thing I want to do is to condone Russian aggression.
Excellent. And if and when it does happen, then maybe you will understand a bit better why the likes of Patreon cutting off support for the defenders is effectively taking sides.
It doesn't cost Patreon anything to pass on those funds. But fine, if they want to take sides then that's cool with me, they just made it to my shitlist, not a cent through their company, ever.
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You seem confused about freedom, and seem to think it means freedom to only do the things you want done. Freedom does not mean people, or countries, must do what one deems right or wrong. That is the reality of no restrictions on a thing. As an aside, maybe, fighting a physical invasion with harsh words, wagging fingers, and paper thin "we won't talk to you any more" restrictions isn't the answer? It's never worked b…
I see downvotes, but history is an excellent predictor. Russia is held in an iron grip. The public can not, and will not successfully rise up. Any threat to Putin is either dead, or jailed. Now, with these restrictions and sanctions, another country, a long time friend of Russia, China, also undergoing trade restrictions, will clearly work with Russia even more closely. Do people really think that China and Russia do…
If China really wants Taiwan then now's the time to do it. North Korea might as well take South Korea while all this is going on. Now I'm starting to think the world is descending into chaos. Or has it always been that way?
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The problem is there will be situations where it is less clear if it's bad or not. Next step would be all kind of groups trying to get military funding.
Why not cross that bridge when those less clear situations happen rather than throwing about the false neutrality principle[1] as a defense now? [1] Thinking about this https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/99574-we-must-take-sides-ne...
It's not about neutrality, it's about doing it the right way.
In the end they only become a target of russia's cyber warfare.
There are better channels and ways of helping without making a civilian platform a war target.
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I'm perfectly capable of transferring funds to Ukranian bank accounts from where I'm sitting, my bank doesn't get a say in that. If I were to try to send money to ISIS or some other known terrorist organization they would surely step in under AMT laws, but the Ukranian defense force is last I checked not on that list (Though I'm sure Putin would love that.) https://www.dnb.nl/en/sector-information/supervision-laws-an…
Your bank absolutely gets a say in that. They can refuse to transfer those funds for effectively any reason and will if they think that those funds are being transferred for any number of proscribed actions. Those actions need not be official sanctions either. They can refuse to do business with another bank at their discretion. I agree that it’s a very bad look for Patreon but it’s pretty business as usual.
> Your bank absolutely gets a say in that. They can refuse to transfer those funds for effectively any reason and will if they think that those funds are being transferred for any number of proscribed actions.
I think I covered that by linking to the charter that governs this.
> Those actions need not be official sanctions either. They can refuse to do business with another bank at their discretion.
They'd have to have a pretty good reason or I would have an excellent opportunity to sue. Capricious interference with the flow of capital is frowned upon.
> I agree that it’s a very bad look for Patreon but it’s pretty business as usual.
Patreon effectively joined Putin. There is no way they will whitewash this.
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With the risk of getting a dead comment, I can't help but ask one question: Imagine groups in countries getting uninvited visits from NATO or US forces, pick the country of choice from Vietnam to Afghanistan, would have used Patreon for fundraising. Wpuld the perception, after they get kicked of patreon, be "fuck patreon" or "good that patreon isn't financing terrorists"? Ukraine needs all the help they can get. And…
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I get, or rather don't since my country wasn't invaded in my lifetime, that people are scared to shit over that. I knoe I would be, too. And yes, I can read. My whole point is that there are rules in place. Using private funding for stuff like this is just not acceptable, it is rather what groups like ISIS are doing. NATO, and NATO countries have ways to organize the stuff much faster, easier, cheaper (just thinking of the German armed forces "surplus" stuff sitting various warehouses) and, most importantly, through proper channels to Ukraine. And they should, and should have done so long time ago. And maybe even did, none of those things is usually made public.