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Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by b112 »

user-the-name wrote: post #147
keymone wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let them. Bitcoin is about freedom.

"Bitcoin is about freedom", you say as a response to Bitcoin being used to fund an invasion? How do you not see the absurdity of this claim?

You seem confused about freedom, and seem to think it means freedom to only do the things you want done.

Freedom does not mean people, or countries, must do what one deems right or wrong.

That is the reality of no restrictions on a thing.

As an aside, maybe, fighting a physical invasion with harsh words, wagging fingers, and paper thin "we won't talk to you any more" restrictions isn't the answer?

It's never worked before. It only hurts innocent civilians in the end. Dictators and tyrants, sadly, will only stop when you use force.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by cdot2 »

basisword wrote: post #38
cdot2 wrote: post #5

So essentially the problem is they're sticking to their "violence is bad" policy when in this specific situation violence is maybe not bad.

This is called "sticking to your principles". It's a rare thing these days.

I have different principals than them

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by Jolter »

user-the-name wrote: post #153
Jolter wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a difference to funding a gun blog or shooting-focused YouTube channel, versus training army personnel and buying guns for them.

The difference is that the former is pointless frivolity, and the latter is, in this case, defending against a literal invasion.

Exactly. My point is that they are materially different.

A person may disagree with Patreon’s policy, but you have to agree that it is not in fact hypocritical (or “schizophrenic”) to allow funding to one but not the other.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by cloverich »

ejb999 wrote: post #126
cloverich wrote: post #82

Does Patreon have ties to Russia that are relevant here, or is this purely a principled move based on their terms?

principled move? Which principles were they following? the principles that made it OK for 8 years, or the principles were they decided to side with Russia's agressions once the real invasion started.

Not implying a moral judgement in my question, I just noticed a lot of other comments jump directly into the discussion suggested by your statement without ever qualifying whether Patreon has political pressure (whether intrinsic or extrinsic) that would influence their decision one way or the other. I think it adds important nuance / clarification to the situation.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by AniseAbyss »

cloverich wrote: post #61
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We all know the final outcome of this. In the face of the overwhelming force Ukraine faces it seems to me any help we provide is just going to prolong the agony.

Depends on Russia's goals. From this other front page (lengthy) discussion[1], they posit Russia likely made a mistake if their goal is regime change. Insurgency's work, especially when they are legitimate. I expect if Ukraine forces survive, they would recieve long-term and well-financed backing indefinitely from the west. Now if Russia's goals are not regime change but just to destablize / make a mess, or even to j…

I personally don't expect Russia to conquer all of Ukraine. It's a big country with 40 million people iirc. When Germany invaded Ukraine in 1941 they had 3 million soldiers.

I honestly don't know what Putin is expecting to gain from this. The occupation won't pay for itself and Russian economy is already bleak.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by praptak »

piokoch wrote: post #19

If anyone wants to support Ukraine defense directly, please use: https://ukraine.ua/news/support-the-armed-forces-of-ukraine/ or https://ukraine.ua/news/donate-to-the-nbu-fund/ this is a bit of a hassle, as UA government agencies can accept donations only through wire transfers, but that's just a few clicks in the banking app anyway.

Anybody can confirm whether ukraine.ua is legit? Their SSL certificate is issued to sni.cloudflaressl.com, which says nothing about whoever owns ukraine.ua.

I'd say this one looks a bit more legit: https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-sp...

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by shmageggy »

Can someone with knowledge of these things clarify the ramifications for their business if they were to allow something like this on their platform? I'd imagine it would have significant regulatory and legal implications. Which of course sounds mild compared to the ramifications to the lives of those affected, but I'm wondering if it would be a business-killing move for some legal reason.

To me, the wildest thing here is not that they enforced their policy, but that a site that started as a means for YouTube musicians to get paid has now become a player in international politics and warfare.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by brabel »

jacquesm wrote: post #89
glogla wrote: post #83

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I'm sure you'd also tell someone being raped to not defend themselves so it's over faster? Jesus Christ, how do you people get so callous? What is wrong with you? who hurt you? What made you give up empathy and humanity? I'll never understand you people.

Agreed, this is beyond disgusting.

Yep, fighting without considering the consequences is what people should do. Let's destroy all of Europe if we need to, just so we can say fuck you Putin! Beyong disgusting , me? I am sure you're the best person in the world and ready to pack your bags and bear arms against any invincible opponent without even thinking about the costs as they don't matter a single bit.
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