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On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by erklik »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #57
bell-cot wrote: post #41

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Would you be satisfied if they just came out and said "Patreon is a small financial services company. Not black-ops mercenary outfit. Not a powerful nation state. If you expect us to face down powerful nation states on your behalf, we suggest that you sign up HERE to fight on the front lines in Ukraine yourself." ?

Honestly, I'd be satisfied if they gave any indication at all that they had considered the weight of their decision, especially given the timing. Patreon arguing that they were just following the rules, when they themselves created the rules and can rewrite them arbitrarily, is absolutely piss-poor form in a humanitarian crisis like this.

> weight of their decision

I am not too aware of this account. How much money was moving through Patreon to the Ukrainians? Is it the majority of the weapons funding they needed?

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by Sebb767 »

jacquesm wrote: post #142
Sebb767 wrote: post #114

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> You could, but it would be bullshit. In your (our) opinion. But that does not make it an absolute truth. > If you really had paid attention to German history you would have realized that sometimes violence is the only way to deal with an emerging threat. It is precisely the lack of decisive action that allowed Hitler the space to do what he did. And that's why I ended my post with: >> It might sometimes be necessar…

> But that does not make it an absolute truth. There we have that false balance thing again. It's documented bullshit, so you can choose to just see it as my opinion, but NATO has a couple of articles formulated especially to deal with aggression like this. To posit that joining an alliance - which didn't happen, another simple fact - because you are afraid of your aggressive neighbor is the cause of the aggression i…

> I've seen first hand what life under Russia looks like, there is no way this is going to be whitewashed.

I'm really not trying to whitewash anything. I have friends in the Ukraine and I'm fearing for their live right now - and, to be honest, a bit for mine, since this conflict is really close to escalating near my actual home. The last thing I want to do is to condone Russian aggression.

My point is that it's really easy to get lost once you accept violence as good. So I can absolutely understand why Patreon chooses to stay neutral in a war, even if it's for (what we see as _and probably is_) the right side. Violence might sometimes be necessary, but it's never a "not bad" thing, especially since it's easy to see oneself on the right side and be wrong about it - which does not mean I think Russia is in any way right here, just to be very clear.

And I think we both agree that the aggression in the Ukraine is both wrong horrible and that violence is generally a bad thing, just to state the obvious - which is probably why we don't get anywhere with this discussion.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by alecbz »

danuker wrote: post #172
monkeynotes wrote: post #154

Crowd sourced wars; we are living in a world a previous generation would hold up as a dark dystopia.

Isn't state funding also crowd-sourcing? Except by force?

I don't think you can really consider it crowd-funding unless people are individually choosing to contribute to the specific cause.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by ejb999 »

piokoch wrote: post #71

Twitter has just blocked https://twitter.com/OSINT_Ukraine account. Good job Twitter, congratulation, Mr. Putin certainly approves your support.

yep, and yet they (and facebook and instagram) continue to allow Russia to push 'their side of the story' without restrictions.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by greggh »

kkjjkgjjgg wrote: post #18

If their policy is to not allow funding for military stuff, I don't really see the issue?

If their policy banned this sort of activity and they cared at all, they would have removed this page 7 years ago, it's been up for 7 years. This isn't about their policy. The timing is everything.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by concinds »

user-the-name wrote: post #147
keymone wrote: post #140

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Let them. Bitcoin is about freedom.

"Bitcoin is about freedom", you say as a response to Bitcoin being used to fund an invasion? How do you not see the absurdity of this claim?

It is not being used to fund an invasion, but to fund a Ukranian military response[0]. Russia has banned crypto and crypto mining, and the only person that claims Russia is "using Bitcoin" is Dan Peña.

[0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/t0jpbw/ukraine_mil...

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by yalogin »

I know emotions are running high in this thread but asking to educate myself.

Ukraine is not a tiny nation, and Russia is huge. In that scenario how will a small assortment of weapons and software even help them? Do they even need weapons help? Also how can a charity buy that list and supply? Can an organization buy them, feels like that kind of a purchase should be restricted to countries only.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by allisdust »

keymone wrote: post #173
runarberg wrote: post #159

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> For those still looking to help, Ukrainian journalists have recommended several charities and platforms that would benefit from donations, such as the Ukrainian Red Cross Society, Voices of Children, and Revived Soldiers Ukraine. There are also 3,000+ Ukrainian creators on Patreon – and thousands more using other platforms – who would benefit from our support. Patreon seems to realize that donations are needed and…

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I don't think any amount of money is going to save Ukraine. If money could, US would dump a boat load already (and did dump a boat load).

These kinds of conflicts cannot be won by any amount of BTC/USD. May be helping refugees is one option but its still too little too late.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by sofixa »

T3RMINATED wrote: post #157
mickael-kerjean wrote: post #27

Russian visitors of my foss project ( https://www.filestash.app/ ) now see the message of peace address to them by president Zelenskyy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwzb_JX7u04

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Your comment was flagged, i vouched for it so i can downvote and rebuke.

No. Inaction is equal to support of the Russian invasion ( like in so many other cases). People have to decide for themselves what they want, where their morals lie, and how they want to act on that. Message of support? Donation? Whatever. Ignoring the problem only helps the war criminals. Don't critique people for daring to speak and act against war crimes just because you're deciding for yourself to ignore them.

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