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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by dragonwriter »

rvba wrote: post #654
rozab wrote: post #559

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same prediction is made in Dugin's Foundations of Geopolitics . Many of his recommendations have come to pass. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics#Con...

For a book that seems to be mentioned so much it is confusing that there is no English translation (apart from machine learning one). With "unofficial" translations you will never know if the translators didnt censor/change the meaning somehow.

> With "unofficial" translations you will never know if the translators didnt censor/change the meaning somehow

With official translations, you don't know that, either. In fact, for the same reasons that politicians who speak in multiple languages often give speeches, on a given subject, with substantially different content in different languages, official translations of books that are designed as political propaganda or advocacy often shade the content to different anticipated audiences in different languages.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by int_19h »

rowanajmarshall wrote: post #625
int_19h wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ukraine has been preparing for this was since 2014. But so has Russia since 2008 (South Ossetia); that's largely what the Syrian excursion was for, to train troops and test new equipment in real combat. Russia is certainly much more powerful militarily in pretty much every respect: it has significantly more manpower, more and better equipment, and economics to supply it logistically. I don't think there's any chance…

> I don't think there's any chance for Ukraine to win on its own. It depends on what you mean by 'win'. Like, of course there's no chance of Ukraine pushing back into Russia, but it's not impossible they do what Finland did and inflict enough pain that Russia pulls back with small gains at best.

I don't think it's likely. Finland was simply not that big of a prize once Soviets pushed the border far enough from Leningrad, so the amount of inconvenience required to change their plans was achievable for the Finns. Ukraine is a different matter, though, for both economic and cultural reasons. I could see Russia deciding that Western Ukraine isn't worth it, but that would still mean the loss of most of the country for the Ukrainians.

The other thing is that the invasion has already triggered those massive sanctions, and they aren't just going away even if Russia pulls out. If Russia does pull out, it'll have paid that price for no gains. So I think that they will keep pushing even if the military costs are higher than anticipated. Putin especially, since this entire escapade appears to be his pet project - the elites who are hit by the sanctions would have a great excuse to remove him.

So I do think that it will be occupation and guerrilla warfare for a while.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by [deleted] »

keewee7 wrote: post #350
xyzal wrote: post #284

If the west fails to act effectively, I bet China will invade Taiwan in the following years.

Russia is intentionally hyping up the risk of nuclear war and WW3. Western leaders should impose total sanctions on Russia but also calm their own populations that there will not be any military confrontation with Russia.

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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by lavp »

keewee7 wrote: post #350
xyzal wrote: post #284

If the west fails to act effectively, I bet China will invade Taiwan in the following years.

Russia is intentionally hyping up the risk of nuclear war and WW3. Western leaders should impose total sanctions on Russia but also calm their own populations that there will not be any military confrontation with Russia.

This is pretty much exactly what is going on

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by efitz »

artem247 wrote: post #683
efitz wrote: post #662

The globalists have been telling me for years that we are post-national, that borders are obsolete, etc. We have seen mass migration from the Middle East to Europe, and from central and South America to the US, and we’ve been told that this is good. Now I’m supposed to actually care about a Westphalian nation state? I don’t get it.

The real world is not some intellectual tongue in cheek discussion between liberals and conservatives. It is no surprise for me that westerners couldn’t care less about suffering of “other people”. You don’t need to invent complicated reasons why you do not care biggest war in Europe since 1940’s, or the lives of Eastern Europeans.

I never said I didn’t care about the suffering of other people. I said I don’t care about Ukraine.

I’ve read the CIA world fact book entry on it; I’ve listened to a lot of the rhetoric, and I just fail to see any interest there compelling enough to make me support war with Russia.

If “suffering” is the bar for involvement, why didn’t we do anything about Rwanda?

Why is it unethical for me not to support involvement in yet another war, when I’ve been lectured for the last two decades about how bad it is for my country to go to war. Seems like cherry picking.

The American public is tired of wars and the USA is not in financial shape to begin a multi trillion dollar war, especially if there is no compelling national interest. If Europe cares, let them fight the war.

If Putin attacks a NATO country then we should fulfill our treaty obligations.

Other than that, we can’t fix all the problems in the world.

Besides, we are extremely likely to end up in a war with China when they invade Taiwan; we do have a national interest there (semiconductor fabrication) and we can’t afford to be bogged down in Ukraine with that looming.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by exikyut »

throwaway123x2 wrote: post #613
rozab wrote: post #559

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same prediction is made in Dugin's Foundations of Geopolitics . Many of his recommendations have come to pass. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics#Con...

I laughed at this one: The United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from Europe.[9]

That entire list of predictions is apparently from a PDF dated 2004.

Aaaand now Brexit is a thing. A long-term pseudo-thing, but still a thing.

*Reads the rest of the list*

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by drewhk »

tremon wrote: post #976
ed_balls wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Putin will take over Ukraine and the army will be in next to Hungarian's border, who will invest in Hungary? This is extremely short-sighted. I hope you will kick him out in a month.

Putin has no need to invade Hungary. Orban already rules the country with an iron fist and is very eager to play Putin's fiddle, I suspect. Romania has more to fear than Hungary.

The time our election comes, the Ukraine conflict will likely be mostly over, at least there would be nothing to stop serious Russian movement. We will have an election with russian toys lying around just over the border, while our foreign minister prodly wears his pledge of "Friendship", given by Lavrov himself. I really hope we will not be "liberated" once again.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by dmichulke »

tremon wrote: post #970
dmichulke wrote: post #648

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incentives are: - Russia will want to make this war as short as possible. They have their objectives (occupy Donezk and Luhansk + some more, destroy the offensive power of the Ukranian army and destroy the infrastructure needed for reinforcements ) and then declare the thing a success. - The US wants it to go on as long as possible, so they will indirectly intervene by financing and supporting any insurgents.

Those are the stated objectives only. If they were the true objectives, why are most of Russia's troops in Kyiv?

Force a formal capitulation

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by woadwarrior01 »

lnxg33k1 wrote: post #374
woodruffw wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any abject suffering that occurs over the next hours, days, and weeks doesn't excuse the historical record of abject suffering imposed by the US military. It's perfectly consistent to be opposed to Russia's invasion of Ukraine and also reject the myth that the US's military is the only thing that maintains world peace.

Also because what Russia is doing right now is the same thing that US tried to do in the Bay of Pigs, settling a puppet government in a portion of a country then make it ask for help? That's CIA 101

The Russian annexation of Crimea in 2014 was similar to Bay of Pigs (with the difference that the former succeeded, while the latter failed miserably). The current situation is a full blown war and nothing less than that.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by woadwarrior01 »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #31
purple_ferret wrote: post #17

Between this and the takeover of Afghanistan it certainly has been an extremely sad year. The End of History? Not so fast. Free people not having a good run here.

The US was an occupier of Afganistan. The US agreed to a withdrawal in exchange for a truce with the Taliban under the previous administration, which was honored by the next administration. This is an invasion of a peaceful country by its neighbor. They are complete opposites.

And were the Taliban, a democratically elected regime? Granted, they were (are?) less corrupt that the government that the US had installed, but they don't represent the interests of the people of Afghanistan, either.
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