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Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by MayeulC »

goldenshale wrote: post #335
speedgoose wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US the only way for a peaceful world? You should read a bit on the USA history and its military conflicts and you may change your mind. Wikipedia is a good starting point.

The period of US hegemony from WW2 until today has by far been the most peaceful time in the history of civilization. Unlike previous super powers, the US did not take over any other countries or colonize by force. We have done many horrible things, like support dictators, invade Iraq based on lies (to depose a dictator), etc., but we have also supported people all over after natural disasters, helped with foreign ai…

Not necessarily true. What do you make of pax romana? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_Romana

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by select-all »

paxys wrote: post #152
forlorn wrote: post #136

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Stay safe, brother, my thoughts and prayers are with you. I'm Russian and wholeheartedly despise this outrageous war crime act of our so-called government.

If you are Russian in Russia right now I'd love to hear what the majority public sentiment in the country is.

I live in Crimea. People are sad, angry, and disappointed. And fatigued. Nobody wants war, but a lot of people feel like we're screwed either way. We avoided a war in 2014, and we can probably avoid it today, but that just means it will come tomorrow. And because people don't see a good way out of the situation, it feels like, whatever happens, just let it happen fast. "A horrible end is better than endless horror".

I don't know how to explain all this to my kids. And how to keep them safe. I feel really sorry for everyone involved on all sides.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by yobbo »

uejfiweun wrote: post #139

Does anyone have any projections for how this war will go? Is the Ukrainian military powerful? Will this turn into a guerilla war, or will it go the way of total war? Or will it result in total capitulation? And another key question. What will Western governments actually do? What if the war gets really bad? Does the West actually have the balls to put real, biting sanctions on the regime? And will this crash the eco…

We can draw some boundaries:

Say Ukraine has ~100.000 trained~ soldiers, 10.000s with experience, and ~100.000 further conscripts, and more veterans/civilians.

It would need to end when russian military has enough presence in cities to make resistance meaningless. In order for russians to move by land into the cities, their tanks and road transports would (at the very least) need to survive handheld anti-tank missiles, of which Ukraine holds thousands, maybe 10s of thousands? Probably, weapons and ammunition will not run out for Ukraine as long as they are willing to put up resistance.

The losses for russia before this might amount to 10.000s?

At some point, losses will force a change of russian leadership, or willingness to fight among Ukrainians runs out.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by themacguffinman »

asdff wrote: post #120
Kibae wrote: post #22

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I doubt they would do that. It would cause Apple's biggest market, China, to rethink allowing Apple and Google devices in their country.

OTOH, why does china even allow Apple or Google devices today? Because Chinese people want to purchase these products and at this point there would be pushback if they were suddenly banned.

China doesn't allow Google devices today, Android the open source operating system is allowed but the Google services that make up Google devices are not. China allows Apple devices because Apple collaborates with the CCP, as do all businesses who operate in China.

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Post by ed_balls »

drewhk wrote: post #442

From Hungary with deep shame because of our traitor government. There are many of us that are deeply disturbed with what is happening, and our government is not representative of all of us.

If Putin will take over Ukraine and the army will be in next to Hungarian's border, who will invest in Hungary?

This is extremely short-sighted. I hope you will kick him out in a month.

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Post by dainiusse »

richardfey wrote: post #399
dainiusse wrote: post #338

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God bless your people and army. I am so sorry, that I don't feel enough support being sent from the western world - from medicine to weapons and sanctions.

Can't neighbours send help without publicly advertising it?

They can as long as they do it. But lets be honest it looked kind of vague given the situation this can impose on europe and whole world

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by chakhs »

csomar wrote: post #416
cglan wrote: post #3

It’s sad but my father always told me that the good times we’ve had are unprecedented and they can end faster than we think. I never believed him growing up, institutions and America seemed infallible. It’s sad to say but I think with global warming, covid, and the general decline of American soft power we’ll see more and more global turmoil My heart goes out to Ukraine and its people

> the general decline of American soft power we’ll see more and more global turmoil I have argued, tons, that America is making the world more peaceful. It was hard to sell especially to Arab/Muslim countries but without a unipolar power, it's lots of small powers fighting each other for territory. > institutions and America seemed infallible Couple that with recklessness. Fatca, CRS, Trade deals, etc... lots of coun…

I wonder how you can believe that knowing all the coups organized by CIA, wars waged by US military everywhere in the world, countries US split in two or more ...etc. it was only safe for USA and its allies. Only difference is war is getting close to western Europe so it's felt more

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Post by synquid »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #352

I’m trying to help my programmer friend escape Ukraine. Since smuggling is a hack, I’d like to ask HN for suggestions on how to pull this off. His elderly father is being drafted. I got a DM from a mutual asking me whether there’s anything I could do for them. I have money but no knowledge of the country; they live there but have no money. During WW2, various affluent people helped smuggle Jews out of Germany. I’d li…

Poland will definitely accept them, they have publicly stated so.

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Post by drewhk »

ed_balls wrote: post #446
drewhk wrote: post #442

From Hungary with deep shame because of our traitor government. There are many of us that are deeply disturbed with what is happening, and our government is not representative of all of us.

If Putin will take over Ukraine and the army will be in next to Hungarian's border, who will invest in Hungary? This is extremely short-sighted. I hope you will kick him out in a month.

Many of us are trying, trust me. Things got out of hand here, big time. If the next election is lost, I will go through half of my life (20 years!) under the rulership of one single person.
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