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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by vixen99 »

achenet wrote: post #602
siliconescapee wrote: post #525

Updates from Russia today: - City centers are blocked by policy to prevent protests/marches - Arrests of people at protests - Volgograd airport has been closed - Russians lining up at banks to withdraw cash, bank limits put in place midway through the day

so the Russian people aren't entirely enthusiastic about this. Maybe they'll have another revolution.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10546799/More-150-s...

"More than 150 senior Russian officials have signed an open letter condemning Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine as 'an unprecedented atrocity' and warning of 'catastrophic consequences'."

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Post by rowanajmarshall »

chakhs wrote: post #448
csomar wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the general decline of American soft power we’ll see more and more global turmoil I have argued, tons, that America is making the world more peaceful. It was hard to sell especially to Arab/Muslim countries but without a unipolar power, it's lots of small powers fighting each other for territory. > institutions and America seemed infallible Couple that with recklessness. Fatca, CRS, Trade deals, etc... lots of coun…

I wonder how you can believe that knowing all the coups organized by CIA, wars waged by US military everywhere in the world, countries US split in two or more ...etc. it was only safe for USA and its allies. Only difference is war is getting close to western Europe so it's felt more

When you compare it to the world before an engaged America (so early 20th century), it was worse. Quite a bit worse. Instead of the US causing regime change, you had European countries conquering and annexing most of the world.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by Pooge »

guilhas wrote: post #452
xyzal wrote: post #284

If the west fails to act effectively, I bet China will invade Taiwan in the following years.

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Crazy how Chinese people can't even travel freely to Taiwan - allegedly the same country as theirs [1].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_passport#Travel_Permit...

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by tetromino_ »

majgr wrote: post #470
forlorn wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stay safe, brother, my thoughts and prayers are with you. I'm Russian and wholeheartedly despise this outrageous war crime act of our so-called government.

> wholeheartedly despise this outrageous war crime act of our so-called government Then, protest it on the street.

Some people protested. Quite soon they got arrested. The punishment for illegal protests is up to 30 days in prison. There are posts I am seeing on Telegram about some probable protest organizers being arrested in advance. Harsh punishment and lack of organizers means no critical mass.

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Post by rowanajmarshall »

int_19h wrote: post #340
uejfiweun wrote: post #139

Does anyone have any projections for how this war will go? Is the Ukrainian military powerful? Will this turn into a guerilla war, or will it go the way of total war? Or will it result in total capitulation? And another key question. What will Western governments actually do? What if the war gets really bad? Does the West actually have the balls to put real, biting sanctions on the regime? And will this crash the eco…

Ukraine has been preparing for this was since 2014. But so has Russia since 2008 (South Ossetia); that's largely what the Syrian excursion was for, to train troops and test new equipment in real combat. Russia is certainly much more powerful militarily in pretty much every respect: it has significantly more manpower, more and better equipment, and economics to supply it logistically. I don't think there's any chance…

> I don't think there's any chance for Ukraine to win on its own.

It depends on what you mean by 'win'. Like, of course there's no chance of Ukraine pushing back into Russia, but it's not impossible they do what Finland did and inflict enough pain that Russia pulls back with small gains at best.

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Post by programmarchy »

reddog wrote: post #612

Some economic perspective. The Russian economy is 10x the size of the Ukrainian. The US economy is 14x larger than Russia's. The Canadian economy is larger than Russia's. The combined economy of all of NATO is 25x the size of Russia's. This does not even include Pacific allies like Japan and ANZUS. For historical perspective, when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor the US economy was 7x larger than theirs. At the end of WW2…

In the era of industrialization economic size was a proxy for the capability of a state to mobilize its industrial capacity for war. Does that still hold true?

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Post by patrec »

osynavets wrote: post #115

Kharkiv, 25 miles to Russia. Just want to say that we are strong, we are confident about our army and I hope that everything will be fine. I'm sorry that I share content like this on this platform, but that's my reality

> we are strong, we are confident about our army and I hope that everything will be fine

I hope this correctness of this assessment has no impact on your safety and well-being. If it does, the people in this thread cheering you on who are not 25 miles away from the Russian border should be ashamed of themselves and you would be well advised to make contingency plans for alternative scenarios were everything will not be fine, say one where Ukraine faces complete military defeat within days.

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Post by jacquesm »

achenet wrote: post #604
nickpp wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The speech of a bully, of an aggressor. The only correct reply is a direct retaliatory attack on his offensive positions.

or just assassinate him. If you're really clever, get all Sun Tzu on him and feed his fears until he chokes on them. Most bullies are cowards. Threats and ultimatums like that come from a place of weakness. Did you hear America saying anything like that when they invaded Iraq? No, because they weren't scared.

Putin is a symptom of a much deeper problem, and I'm fairly sure that even if you did manage to do that he would be replaced by something similar, possibly even worse.

Having a rogue state with nukes is a serious problem.

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Post by explaingarlic »

reddog wrote: post #612

Some economic perspective. The Russian economy is 10x the size of the Ukrainian. The US economy is 14x larger than Russia's. The Canadian economy is larger than Russia's. The combined economy of all of NATO is 25x the size of Russia's. This does not even include Pacific allies like Japan and ANZUS. For historical perspective, when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor the US economy was 7x larger than theirs. At the end of WW2…

The count of soldiers doesn't matter; you can only fit so many on a battle line anyway and a war in which you run through a full battle line of infantry is so costly that even that insane regime wouldn't go for it. The red army required millions of soldiers because it ran through them so quickly due to their battle doctrine. This conflict will be nothing like World War 2.

The size of the economy doesn't so much matter, either - there's a limit to how much aid economic power can provide to a nation at war, especially one with such deep connections to illicit markets like Russia. It's really anyone's game if war breaks out over central Europe.

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Post by quadrifoliate »

anshumankmr wrote: post #217

It is quite interesting to see publications like Jacobin posting obvious flame bait such as this: https://twitter.com/jacobin/status/1496693868955246599 . Even Tucker Carlson is parroting Russian propaganda. https://i.redd.it/pr9tnneyemj81.png I hope the Ukrainian people fight back as hard as they can and the governments of the world help them in any way they can.

Your so-called flamebait has some very interesting content.

> British foreign secretary Liz Truss...sat down for talks with Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov. When Lavrov, in response to Truss’s demands that Russia withdraw troops from its territory bordering Ukraine, asked if she recognized Russia’s sovereignty over the Rostov and Voronezh regions, Truss replied that the UK would "never recognize Russian sovereignty over these regions" — prompting a more informed diplomat to jump in and explain to her those were Russian regions.

If your highest-ranked diplomats are conducting negotiations at Geographically Challenged Schoolchild level, maybe suggesting that you're part of the problem shouldn't be called flamebait and propaganda. This was yet another reveal to Lavrov that the British public is wildly uniformed about Russia, all the way to the top.

Ukraine may be an innocent victim of this stupidity. That doesn't excuse it in any way.

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