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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Some economic perspective. The Russian economy is 10x the size of the Ukrainian. The US economy is 14x larger than Russia's. The Canadian economy is larger than Russia's. The combined economy of all of NATO is 25x the size of Russia's. This does not even include Pacific allies like Japan and ANZUS.

For historical perspective, when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor the US economy was 7x larger than theirs. At the end of WW2 the red army had 12 million soldiers in uniform compared to the estimated 120K Russian soldiers now invading Ukraine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi...

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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In his 1997 book The Grand Chessboard Zbigniew Brzezinski did say that if Europe went to war again it would start in Ukraine. Some choice quotes: “Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire.” “However, if Moscow regains control over Ukraine,…

The same prediction is made in Dugin's Foundations of Geopolitics . Many of his recommendations have come to pass. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics#Con...

I laughed at this one:

The United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from Europe.[9]

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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The speech of a bully, of an aggressor. The only correct reply is a direct retaliatory attack on his offensive positions.

Wow, not really. Putin lies all of the time and he is a bully, but he's not kidding when he says there will be retaliations. Anything the West does directly they have to expect a response. That said, I think the west should be using 'distance power'. There are US Global Hawk drones over Ukraine right now doing surveillance, I think it would be reasonable for the US to launch cruise missiles at Russian targets in Ukra…

> We just have to hope that Ukrainians can leverage the Javelins and Stingers to great effect and make it painful enough for Putin that he has no choice to step back,

Putin won't step back. This is his endgame and he has very little - if not actually nothing - to lose. Going back as a loser is not on the table as a viable option.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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I’m trying to help my programmer friend escape Ukraine. Since smuggling is a hack, I’d like to ask HN for suggestions on how to pull this off. His elderly father is being drafted. I got a DM from a mutual asking me whether there’s anything I could do for them. I have money but no knowledge of the country; they live there but have no money. During WW2, various affluent people helped smuggle Jews out of Germany. I’d li…

Light travel and water. Then use bikes.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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I can't even imagine what you are going through. If you need to get out, Sweden welcomes you!

I wish. Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson said this 6 days ago: > If Russia enters Ukraine, it is assumed that this will lead to large numbers of refugees fleeing the country. Amnesty International warns of a humanitarian catastrophe. > But Sweden will not be a major recipient country, according to Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson. She believes that the responsibility lies with other countries. https://www.dn.se/v…

Portugal's prime minister announced a simplified visa programme for any Ukrainian wishing to flee the conflict. If in need, get in touch with the Portuguese embassy in Kiev [1]. It is still staffed.

[1] https://kiev.embaixadaportugal.mne.gov.pt/en/

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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In his 1997 book The Grand Chessboard Zbigniew Brzezinski did say that if Europe went to war again it would start in Ukraine. Some choice quotes: “Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire.” “However, if Moscow regains control over Ukraine,…

'Prisoners of Geography' is a book that helps me understand some of the these things. Recommended. The first chapter is about Russia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoners_of_Geography

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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I'm so sorry. But the truth is that you don't stand a chance. Russia will get what it wants (it got the support of China that will offset any sanctions the the West might impose) I really hope you will stay safe.

Ukraine will make Russia suffer though as they seem very determined to protect their country. And the rest of the world will make Russia suffer economically. So this is a lose-lose situation.

Ukraine was always going to lose, going up against Russia, as would most nations. Lose-lose is a better option for the people of Ukraine, if you accept they are desiring to defend themselves (which will entail a higher death toll); the other scenario is Russia wins (taking no losses) and Ukraine loses (nearly everything).

Ukraine can make Russia suffer if the West has given them enough weapons to do so. I'm skeptical that they did in time. They had seven years after Crimea to help Ukraine, and waited far too long to do it to a great enough degree.

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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post #612

Some economic perspective. The Russian economy is 10x the size of the Ukrainian. The US economy is 14x larger than Russia's. The Canadian economy is larger than Russia's. The combined economy of all of NATO is 25x the size of Russia's. This does not even include Pacific allies like Japan and ANZUS. For historical perspective, when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor the US economy was 7x larger than theirs. At the end of WW2…

What you seem to be saying is that we should be willing to fight, but it's not been long since our last involvement.

How big is the Afghan economy in relation to the West?

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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post #382

I'm sure China is watching this very eagerly and taking notes. Fate of Taiwan depends on how the West and the rest of the World reacts against Russia.

The west can't do anything to stop China from incorporating Taiwan. The only thing stopping China is that they are not fully prepared yet, they will be in a few years however.

I think this is correct.

China is very happy with the Russian invasion of Ukraine. But they will not subordinate their long-term strategy on Taiwan to Russian goals; Xi will stick to "slowly slowly catchee monkey". He is not a military opportunist, as Putin has shown himself to be.

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