I have never found good information about that anywhere, but I would like to know: At which time in the morning does school start in your country usually?
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Could not agree more... strong post. Moved from Chicago to Texas in 2020 and have been grateful for in-person schooling from the onset of the move. Watching my son's 60 year old 1st grade teacher stumble through hours of zoom was what did it for me. Sadly, fear porn still has concerned parents forcing their kids to mask up, outdoors - even in Texas. My heart breaks for them.
Having been to various parts of Texas in the summertime on numerous occasions, I can't imagine what it's like to have to wear a mask outdoors as a child. Glad you made the move and it sounds like you're enjoying it. Are you in the Austin area?
It's humid. It can't be comfortable in a mask while outdoors. Will be interesting to see the science on the impact of not being able to communicate with facial expression for a chunk of your developmental years. Maybe it will be nothing, but probably not
Yes, I'm in Austin. Love it. Knew I'd love it. Was just a matter of time before we got here. Yes, there's a broad political spectrum with people here, but by and large, people are kind and friendly. Glad I bought a house 1.5 years ago. Can't see things slowing down any time soon.
Thinking about a move?
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I was the same as a kid - I really struggled with the early mornings, and could never sleep before midnight. Come the weekend, and I was so tired I'd sleep until midday. When I first started at high school, I was a great student, for example winning multiple prizes over the first 18 months. But the tiredness really took a toll, and for most of the rest of school I was a half zombie - I still did well at school, but I…
If you were so tired, why couldn't you just sleep earlier at night? If I'm remembering my own teen years correctly, most of us chose to stay up late not because we couldn't sleep, but because we just wanted to, sleep be damned. Everyone complains about having to get up early, but the sleep deprivation is self inflicted. If you're tired, you can sleep at 9pm.
> why couldn't you just sleep earlier at night?
Can you?
Consensus has emerged in the last few years that the circadian rhythm is mostly regulated hormonally, with a strong genetic factor. So that would be akin to telling a black person to "just get whiter skin".
> Everyone complains about having to get up early, but the sleep deprivation is self inflicted. If you're tired, you can sleep at 9pm.
Do you have a reliable way of doing so? If yes, you are sitting on a potential billion-dollar innovation. I'm surprised you haven't monetized it yet.
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#184All three of my kids start school at 9am. We don't even have to wake them up. They wake up on their own and it's no rush to get them to school. It's fantastic.
Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents
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I was the same as a kid - I really struggled with the early mornings, and could never sleep before midnight. Come the weekend, and I was so tired I'd sleep until midday. When I first started at high school, I was a great student, for example winning multiple prizes over the first 18 months. But the tiredness really took a toll, and for most of the rest of school I was a half zombie - I still did well at school, but I…
If you were so tired, why couldn't you just sleep earlier at night? If I'm remembering my own teen years correctly, most of us chose to stay up late not because we couldn't sleep, but because we just wanted to, sleep be damned. Everyone complains about having to get up early, but the sleep deprivation is self inflicted. If you're tired, you can sleep at 9pm.
No, I couldn't sleep earlier, simple as that. In fact, I went on to have more serious insomnia around the time I left high school, which lasted for a few years.
Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents
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If you were so tired, why couldn't you just sleep earlier at night? If I'm remembering my own teen years correctly, most of us chose to stay up late not because we couldn't sleep, but because we just wanted to, sleep be damned. Everyone complains about having to get up early, but the sleep deprivation is self inflicted. If you're tired, you can sleep at 9pm.
Don't take this personally (I really do mean it) but I think this attitude is part of the problem. My best, most alert hours are after ten pm. I can't just will those away, and I've tried. There is enormous social stigma around being a late riser. We're characterized as having low self control or accused of laziness. Perhaps that's deserved in some cases, but morning people can be those things too. I can go to bed at…
> We're characterized as having low self control or accused of laziness.
Yep, I remember my Dad telling me I was lazy - it seemed really unfair, as there was nothing I could do about it.
Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents
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The restrictions are definitely not the same as they were 2 years ago when this all started. Schools shut, everyone working from home, no bar/cafe/restaurants, no outdoor social activities qas what we had then. In the last two weeks I've been to a bar twice and the cinema. I don't know of anywhere in the world (but could be wrong) that is still in that form of lock down right now.
Depends where you are? Two years ago Canada didn’t have many restrictions at all. Masks weren’t even a requirement in all provinces. Ontario, Canada just cranked up restrictions. https://covid-19.ontario.ca/public-health-measures Quebec now has curfew, primary schools closed. All public events canceled. https://cdn-contenu.quebec.ca/cdn-contenu/sante/documents/Pr...
> Quebec now has curfew
Wait, how does that work?
Do people get arrested just because they are out past curfew? Random ID checks?
Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents
#188I was in Grade 7 the first time they closed schools here in Ontario. I certainly didn't get enough sleep, usually around five or six, maybe seven hours at most. The second time around was even worse. I didn't do work, I didn't go outside, all I did was mess about on my computer. In general, it was- and is- a horribly unhealthy experience for me, both mentally and physically. Although, I still struggle with this "remo…
https://gbdeclaration.org/ I'm terribly sorry for what happened to you. It shouldn't have happened. After the first few months the data was very clear that schools were safe to open. They absolutely shouldn't be closed right now. You are a victim of cowardly bureaucrats and powerful and wealthy elderly people who desperately want to cling to more years of their lives despite already being at the end. They don't care…
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Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents
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I was the same as a kid - I really struggled with the early mornings, and could never sleep before midnight. Come the weekend, and I was so tired I'd sleep until midday. When I first started at high school, I was a great student, for example winning multiple prizes over the first 18 months. But the tiredness really took a toll, and for most of the rest of school I was a half zombie - I still did well at school, but I…
Just start school later in the day. That's the solution. The real problem is that the rest of society wants to start at set times. People don't want their kids "home alone" after they've left for work or before they come home from work. All of society just isn't geared toward flexibility for its constituents.
Agreed. I know a lot of it is busing - they have to bus elementary kids then the MS/HS kids. But it should be switched at least. Young kids get up early, older kids don't.
Regardless, school in general should start later, and so should businesses. If I'm left to my own devices without external factors, I will go to sleep at 2am and get up at 10am. And that's what I did during the lockdowns. But otherwise, its punishing when I have to get up at 7am to be at work at 8 or 9.
Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents
#190I remember waking up to go to school every morning at 6:45 and taking the bus every day at 7:05 when I was in high school in France. Most months the sun hadn't even risen yet. It was punishing, and I definitely was sleep deprived by the end of the week. Because of the schedule, my parents had me go to sleep around 9pm but I had a hard time sleeping then and tended to not fall asleep before midnight/1 am. I'd either l…
School in France starts at 8 or later, so not living an hour away from school would have helped... I was waking up at 7:30.