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School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by seoulbran »

JPKab wrote: post #48
Extropy_ wrote: post #13

I was in Grade 7 the first time they closed schools here in Ontario. I certainly didn't get enough sleep, usually around five or six, maybe seven hours at most. The second time around was even worse. I didn't do work, I didn't go outside, all I did was mess about on my computer. In general, it was- and is- a horribly unhealthy experience for me, both mentally and physically. Although, I still struggle with this "remo…

https://gbdeclaration.org/ I'm terribly sorry for what happened to you. It shouldn't have happened. After the first few months the data was very clear that schools were safe to open. They absolutely shouldn't be closed right now. You are a victim of cowardly bureaucrats and powerful and wealthy elderly people who desperately want to cling to more years of their lives despite already being at the end. They don't care…

Could not agree more... strong post. Moved from Chicago to Texas in 2020 and have been grateful for in-person schooling from the onset of the move. Watching my son's 60 year old 1st grade teacher stumble through hours of zoom was what did it for me.

Sadly, fear porn still has concerned parents forcing their kids to mask up, outdoors - even in Texas. My heart breaks for them.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by wobblybubble »

another_story wrote: post #18
dukeofdoom wrote: post #9

I noticed kids playing outside more in parks. But also, think of the benefit of missing out on hours and hours of preaching from their teachers. They can just research things on the internet now. And come to their own conclusions.

I think a huge part of the problem with the American education system is exemplified right here with belittling the role of teachers.

A lot of what teachers do is exactly just that—basically talking at the pupils, as if they were vessels who are supposed to have their heads filled up with knowledge.

Proper learning is supposed to be more active and pupil-directed. Look at the Deweyite schools in America.

If you find that to be a belittling description then I’m sorry, but that’s largely what teachers do. And it’s been critiqued for a long time by thoughtful people who care about pedagogy, so you can’t simply dismiss it as some kind of “woe be the state of education” phenomenom.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by bsagdiyev »

wobblybubble wrote: post #120
bsagdiyev wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The word was used correctly and not in an offensive manner: https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/retardation — perhaps you need to readjust your outrage detector?

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Redefining a word to only be offensive is silly. Some words are bad, full stop. Other words have definitions that pre-date their offensive usage and are still used in regular speech.

Pointing this out to someone looking to be offended is an attempt to fight back at that nonsense. The original comment asking to use a different word was unnecessary and not relevant to the discussion in any way.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by inglor_cz »

vanviegen wrote: post #56
watwut wrote: post #11

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Sounds like quality of public transport problem. Also, high schoolers are fully competent not to miss busses.

Actually, most of them are not, but that's a learning opportunity! :-)

If you can solve a quadratic equation, you can take a bus at 14:34 without any hassle.

Missed connections are usually missed deliberately, regardless of what is said to the parents later.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

vanviegen wrote: post #56
watwut wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like quality of public transport problem. Also, high schoolers are fully competent not to miss busses.

Actually, most of them are not, but that's a learning opportunity! :-)

This is simply untrue. Loads of students in the "high school" age range manage to get to school on time most days. Depending on the country, your 16-18 year old student might not even live at home.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by Merem »

jlg23 wrote: post #74
Merem wrote: post #66

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Growing up in the countryside, basically no kid was driven to elementary school, except maybe some first graders early on. You either walk, come by bicycle or take a bus. I wouldn't call 8:00 "very early". Elementary school started 7:25 for me, "Gymnasium" 7:20. Didn't really have a problem with it, same with my classmates. If you keep a decent sleeping schedule, don't play games on some device right before bed or la…

> If you keep a decent sleeping schedule The natural shift of the sleep cycle towards later hours during puberty is exactly the topic. I would consider myself to be the textbook example: zombiesque in school until 10am, now, 25 years later, I naturally wake up at 6am.

Is that actually a thing though? When I got my own TV, I usually went to bed at ~22:15 because that is when the first evening movie ended. And that was before and after puberty. Eventually, at age 17, I found something I really wanted to watch which aired from 22:00 to 0:00, so that's how long I stayed awake. It had nothing to do with my body. Similarly, talking with classmates, I noticed that girls went to bed earlier (like around 21:00) and that was most likely because there wasn't anything interesting for them to do at later hours, while we boys either watched TV or played games. Almost all the boys quit around 22:00 which would make it a very healthy 8 hour sleep until they got up again. And that is aside from being physically active during the day which makes sleeping in rather simple. Of course, if you sit on your bum all the day, sleeping in does become more difficult as there is little physical exhaustion.

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Post by Muromec »

gpvos wrote: post #100
AmericanChopper wrote: post #68

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Ah yes. The Parisian streets. Much safer.

What would be your solution? I hope not the car, that ruins children's self-reliance and is generally to be avoided. Also clutters the streets.

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Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by [deleted] »

sersi wrote: post #59

I remember waking up to go to school every morning at 6:45 and taking the bus every day at 7:05 when I was in high school in France. Most months the sun hadn't even risen yet. It was punishing, and I definitely was sleep deprived by the end of the week. Because of the schedule, my parents had me go to sleep around 9pm but I had a hard time sleeping then and tended to not fall asleep before midnight/1 am. I'd either l…

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Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Post by sofixa »

laurent92 wrote: post #15
Extropy_ wrote: post #13

I was in Grade 7 the first time they closed schools here in Ontario. I certainly didn't get enough sleep, usually around five or six, maybe seven hours at most. The second time around was even worse. I didn't do work, I didn't go outside, all I did was mess about on my computer. In general, it was- and is- a horribly unhealthy experience for me, both mentally and physically. Although, I still struggle with this "remo…

Thinking that lockdowns are a solution to anything, including a pandemic, was a neat way to drive many people insane. I won’t tell my personal… happenings… but I double on your difficulty.

Please elaborate how are lockdowns not a solution to stop the spread of a pandemic, because they most certainly are, and stopped every country's health system to get to the terrible state Italy's got at the beginning.

It's actually quite easy - the virus is airborne. If most people stay indoors and don't meet other people, the spread is significantly stopped.

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