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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by pmontra » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 2:47 PM UTC

cnlevy wrote: post #96

zohch wrote: post #67

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That there is any controversy in this statement is insane, but I would be very wary of ever making this statement non-anonymously, because I know I'm more likely than not to be cancelled for it. China has mastered the manipulation of the west's successor ideology better than those in the west that instituted it.

cancel culture doesn't originate in China. It's an evolution of the western idea of equality and individualism taken to an extreme

Ancient Athens had ostracism [1]. It was against a single person and not against ideas but given that the numbers where smaller and heads carry ideas, it was more or less the same thing.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostracism

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by throwaway2037 » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 2:48 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #143

einpoklum wrote: post #38

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Umm, with respect - it is the US anti-Chinese rhetoric that is changing, rather than Chinese government policy. There are many repressive aspects to the Chinese regime (and government specifically I suppose); but this is probably less the case today then, say, 30 years ago. Certainly I doubt very much repression has been tightened over the past few years. If I'm mistaken - please provide references, preferably to non…

> Hong-Kong situation notwithstanding. They're currently removing the Tianamen commemoration statue.

For other readers who are not familiar, here are two newspaper articles about it:

https://hongkongfp.com/2021/12/23/breaking-fears-for-condemn...

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/3160744/universi...

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by mikem170 » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 2:49 PM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #182

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Surely the soviets killing dozens of millions of russians and invading half of Europe is all the fault of the evil West. Sounds like you went around the world with a narrative preset in your mind.

Lots of people have narratives preset in their minds. Often supplied by the evening news. That applies to both the U.S. and China. So it's interesting to hear a different perspective, isn't it?

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by throw10920 » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 2:52 PM UTC

323 wrote: post #124

tjpnz wrote: post #2

Is there a list of companies who've made similar apologies in the past? When presented with a choice I would prefer to avoid them.

In fashion: Nike, Versace, Coach, Givenchy, Calvin Klein, Asics, Swarovski, Dior https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/fashion-beauty/article/303950...

Blizzard! John Cena (although not a company)

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by mikem170 » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 2:55 PM UTC

drekk wrote: post #132

andy_ppp wrote: post #11

I think we should stop using China for cheap Labour in general given how hostile their government are becoming. Where possible I try to buy Taiwanese, Korean and Japanese electronics.

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It is interesting that nobody discusses the psychology around bringing up the other sides perspective.

Why do these discussions tend to be so NOT nuanced or objective? Each side has a different view of the same events, different populations are fed different propaganda. Why are we seeing certain stories in the news and not others? Why at this time? Why the aggressive downvotes at the mention of other perspectives, with replies kind of shouting back and forth? Isn't there anything to be gained examining things from both sides? etc

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by Archio » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 2:57 PM UTC

tombh wrote: post #184

philliphaydon wrote: post #174

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China is involved in no less than 18 different border disputes. Is encroaching on India territory. Bribed Solomon Island government to switch. Refuses to abide by the law of the seas. Is debt trapping nations in Africa and claiming they aren’t because they don’t directly take control of the projects and instead have Chinese businesses buy large portions of ports and natural resources. Abusing trade agreements. Threat…

You are so out of your league here. Whilst you state facts, it is comical to imply that China can hold a candle to the West's atrocities. 18 different border disputes, 18!?? I mean how can you seriously think that's a big number? Just take the American continent itself. Honestly, think about it for a second, what if North America was inhabited by Mandarin-speakers from northern China and South America was inhabited b…

Don’t you see that an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind? Hey you know what, at least we can both criticize the West’s atrocities and not fear being disappeared by an authoritarian government.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by syshum » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 2:57 PM UTC

smhenderson wrote: post #169

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We can start by not buying anything Made In China as much as possible, however I fail to ever see that happening, as most are quick to forget their morals when it hits their wallets.

It's also become increasingly difficult, and in some cases nigh impossible, to avoid items from China. I'm older and don't need a lot beyond the food and shelter I work for, I have plenty of "stuff". But buying clothing, gifts, electronics, well, the list is long and I won't try to cover everything here, that doesn't have at least part of it's assembly provided by China is not easy to avoid. It's not just people's wa…

It is hard if you want to say "Buy American" or something like that

But I find it easy to avoid chinese products, for example I just recently was in the market for some cookware, I thought my choices were expensive American made pans, or cheap China, but in reality I found some very good cookware coming out of South America for very good price

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Post by Layke1123 » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 3:00 PM UTC

lvl100 wrote: post #167

mrweasel wrote: post #139

I really don't understand China, but China also don't care to understand the west one bit. China has zero cultural understand about anything beyond its borders and basically only survives on other cultures being either extremely flexible or completely dependent on China for manufacturing (or both). We're basically just waiting for companies to pull manufacturing from China, because they can deal with the backlash at…

US fed the beast that is CCP and now the beast can’t be controlled. Do you fault the beast or the idiot who miscalculated and kept feeding the beast?

I wonder if they would use the same dehumanizing terms back at us? What makes you want to refer to humans as "beasts", and why use the term "beast" in the first place? Do wild animals frighten you?

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Post by namdnay » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 3:02 PM UTC

sumedh wrote: post #99

namdnay wrote: post #98

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> a member of the ruling party told the world that we shouldn't call politicians liars - despite the current Prime Minister lying through his teeth at almost every opportunity simply because he can get away with it - because it would undermine people's faith in the political system that keeps lying to them. I didn’t follow the event, but I have to agree with whoever said that. There’s nothing more toxic to democracy…

> want you to believe Are you claiming that politicians are not liars?

That's exactly the kind of easy cynicism that serves no-one.

Yes, everyone lies, politicians and non-politicians. "you're looking good", "our product already does this", "i was just about to do that", "it's our highest priority"... and in a job where you are constantly being asked to satisfy everyone, of course there are going to be fibs.

But there are relatively honest politicians and there are absolute sociopaths like Johnson, and it's important to differentiate the two

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Post by alexfromapex » Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 3:02 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #153

mrweasel wrote: post #139

I really don't understand China, but China also don't care to understand the west one bit. China has zero cultural understand about anything beyond its borders and basically only survives on other cultures being either extremely flexible or completely dependent on China for manufacturing (or both). We're basically just waiting for companies to pull manufacturing from China, because they can deal with the backlash at…

We can start by not buying anything Made In China as much as possible, however I fail to ever see that happening, as most are quick to forget their morals when it hits their wallets.

This is mostly the fault of big box retail stores sourcing most of their merchandise in China. It will take consumers totally boycotting Chinese merchandise in order for them to stop ordering more stuff from China.