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Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by breakfastduck »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #51
nichtich wrote: post #25

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Once you are already in prison it's hard to say whether you are forced to do it or not. It's not like you have a lot of employers and professions to choose from. And if the incentives include things like easier to get parole then refusing to participate would mean more time served. It'd be pretty hard to prove some labor is not "forced" in a prison setting.

> And if the incentives include things like easier to get parole then refusing to participate would mean more time served. So what? That's just serving the original sentence. That doesn't sound forced to me. Is it forced labor when someone chooses to take a community service option instead of being locked up?

Yes of course it is. You're being forced to do it or end up in prison. How is that not forced?

It's essentially a choice between 1 option at that point.

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Post by threatofrain »

cnlevy wrote: post #96
zohch wrote: post #67

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That there is any controversy in this statement is insane, but I would be very wary of ever making this statement non-anonymously, because I know I'm more likely than not to be cancelled for it. China has mastered the manipulation of the west's successor ideology better than those in the west that instituted it.

cancel culture doesn't originate in China. It's an evolution of the western idea of equality and individualism taken to an extreme

Cancelling finds its roots in the freedom of association.

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Post by pjmlp »

mrweasel wrote: post #139

I really don't understand China, but China also don't care to understand the west one bit. China has zero cultural understand about anything beyond its borders and basically only survives on other cultures being either extremely flexible or completely dependent on China for manufacturing (or both). We're basically just waiting for companies to pull manufacturing from China, because they can deal with the backlash at…

We can start by not buying anything Made In China as much as possible, however I fail to ever see that happening, as most are quick to forget their morals when it hits their wallets.

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Post by tiahura »

gelert wrote: post #107
namdnay wrote: post #98

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> a member of the ruling party told the world that we shouldn't call politicians liars - despite the current Prime Minister lying through his teeth at almost every opportunity simply because he can get away with it - because it would undermine people's faith in the political system that keeps lying to them. I didn’t follow the event, but I have to agree with whoever said that. There’s nothing more toxic to democracy…

What's toxic to democracy is politicians lying, and then telling us that p;ointing out their moments of hypocrisy is what's doing the real damage. Describing reality is never bad.

Politicians have been lying since the origin of politics. The modern press’ penchant for shouting liar every time a politician they don’t like speaks is juvenile and patronizing to the audience.

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Post by bhouston »

mrweasel wrote: post #139

I really don't understand China, but China also don't care to understand the west one bit. China has zero cultural understand about anything beyond its borders and basically only survives on other cultures being either extremely flexible or completely dependent on China for manufacturing (or both). We're basically just waiting for companies to pull manufacturing from China, because they can deal with the backlash at…

> "Go kill whoever you need to get rid of so we can move on."

Israel appears to be one of the Western nations where they are deepening ties and not bowing to US pressure to disengage:

* http://www.news.cn/english/2021-11/17/c_1310316894.htm

* https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/16/us-israel-china-deals/

* https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-not-expected-to-j...

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Post by mpol »

mrweasel wrote: post #139

I really don't understand China, but China also don't care to understand the west one bit. China has zero cultural understand about anything beyond its borders and basically only survives on other cultures being either extremely flexible or completely dependent on China for manufacturing (or both). We're basically just waiting for companies to pull manufacturing from China, because they can deal with the backlash at…

If you allow me to throw in an idea, and please correct me if you see fit.

In earlier times the Confucian pacifist ways of China were not up to the aggression of Western Europe, the US and Japan. In more recent times they learned to deal better with these foreign powers. The last thing they want is to give up their autonomy and culture and get run over by all these well meaning politicians that are very much after power anyway.

The moslim communities might be seen as a threat to Chinese conformity since they often hold very tight their moslim culture. The same thing might be happening around Falun Dafa. I don't really know how it started, but where we are now, they might be seen as a threat as well, since they are now quite aggressive in their wordings towards the Chinese government.

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Post by tiahura »

323 wrote: post #124
tjpnz wrote: post #2

Is there a list of companies who've made similar apologies in the past? When presented with a choice I would prefer to avoid them.

In fashion: Nike, Versace, Coach, Givenchy, Calvin Klein, Asics, Swarovski, Dior https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/fashion-beauty/article/303950...

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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by thow-58d4e8b »

dazsnow wrote: post #46
KennyBlanken wrote: post #41

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The burden is on the person making a claim, not on others to disprove it. Furthermore, "no US aligned media sources" is ad hominem. Objective facts don't become falsehoods because of who is saying them. Since you've formed the opinion that Chinese government policy hasn't become more repressive, and that opinion is clearly educated, surely you have plenty of links to give us to back up your position.

Listen to the Sinica podcast. It covers China-related topics "without fear nor favor". You'll here politicians and experts talk about the increasing, and often baseless, hostility of Western media over the past 5 years.

To add to that - putting aside the present state of Sino-US relations, our prior beliefs should reflect what academic work on lying in politics tells us (1):

* lying in official diplomatic relationships between countries is rather rare

* within countries, democratic leaders are much more likely to lie to their population than autocrats

* countries with imperial ambitions and long-distance ventures lie more often than others

* within great powers, the depiction of the rival great powers is especially lie-ridden

In other words, for a person living in the US - it's likely that whatever US news sources tell you about China (or Russia) is mostly lies or exaggerations

(1) https://www.oxonianreview.org/wp/international-deceit/

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