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Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by celeduc »

dash2 wrote: post #84
elihu wrote: post #58

> "Intel (INTC.O) recently published what it described as an annual letter to suppliers, dated December, that it had been 'required to ensure that its supply chain does not use any labour or source goods or services from the Xinjiang region', following restrictions imposed by 'multiple governments'." As policies go, that one seems kind of clumsy. Assuming for the sake of argument that Uighurs are being used for force…

It's not that simple. If you're competing with local forced labour, your own wages will be artificially driven down. Unfairness spreads.

Slave labour.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by Symbiote »

hrrsn wrote: post #34
FooBarWidget wrote: post #18

It's interesting to see that people on both sides are angry -- for different reasons. People on western Internet are angry at Intel for having issued an apology. People on Chinese Internet are angry because they view it as a non-apology, i.e. Intel still goes ahead with the ban. I see people -- including Chinese diaspora -- calling for banning Intel.

> I see people -- including Chinese diaspora -- calling for banning Intel. Is this feasible? There's not all that many other options for x86

I think AMD has less (possibly much less) in China than Intel.

I spent about €200,000 on AMD servers last year. They are performing better than Intel ones would have done at the same price, so it was a very easy decision.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by _red »

zohch wrote: post #67
andy_ppp wrote: post #11

I think we should stop using China for cheap Labour in general given how hostile their government are becoming. Where possible I try to buy Taiwanese, Korean and Japanese electronics.

That there is any controversy in this statement is insane, but I would be very wary of ever making this statement non-anonymously, because I know I'm more likely than not to be cancelled for it. China has mastered the manipulation of the west's successor ideology better than those in the west that instituted it.

>China

Its not totally fair to put this all on Chinese manipulation.

Western politicians and many "tech elite" all love the concept of CCP-style 'social credit systems' being instituted.

This is ultimately what vaxpass is all about.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by Symbiote »

jbotz wrote: post #77
sinoue wrote: post #4

Sad to see Intel and others be so spineless.

Corporations are spineless, both literally and figuratively.

Unnecessary pedantry.

Read the comment as "sad to see the Intel executives and others be so spineless".

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by cnlevy »

zohch wrote: post #67
andy_ppp wrote: post #11

I think we should stop using China for cheap Labour in general given how hostile their government are becoming. Where possible I try to buy Taiwanese, Korean and Japanese electronics.

That there is any controversy in this statement is insane, but I would be very wary of ever making this statement non-anonymously, because I know I'm more likely than not to be cancelled for it. China has mastered the manipulation of the west's successor ideology better than those in the west that instituted it.

cancel culture doesn't originate in China. It's an evolution of the western idea of equality and individualism taken to an extreme

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by namdnay »

undecisive wrote: post #43

> Intel, which has 10,000 employees in China, said in its apology that it "respected the sensitivity of the issue in China." This reminds me of a recent British politics round-table interview, where a member of the ruling party told the world that we shouldn't call politicians liars - despite the current Prime Minister lying through his teeth at almost every opportunity simply because he can get away with it - becaus…

> a member of the ruling party told the world that we shouldn't call politicians liars - despite the current Prime Minister lying through his teeth at almost every opportunity simply because he can get away with it - because it would undermine people's faith in the political system that keeps lying to them.

I didn’t follow the event, but I have to agree with whoever said that. There’s nothing more toxic to democracy than people just saying “ah politicians are all liars anyway”. That’s exactly what post-truth politicians like Johnson, Trump and Putin want you to believe - it’s all a big joke anyway, so who cares?

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by sumedh »

namdnay wrote: post #98
undecisive wrote: post #43

> Intel, which has 10,000 employees in China, said in its apology that it "respected the sensitivity of the issue in China." This reminds me of a recent British politics round-table interview, where a member of the ruling party told the world that we shouldn't call politicians liars - despite the current Prime Minister lying through his teeth at almost every opportunity simply because he can get away with it - becaus…

> a member of the ruling party told the world that we shouldn't call politicians liars - despite the current Prime Minister lying through his teeth at almost every opportunity simply because he can get away with it - because it would undermine people's faith in the political system that keeps lying to them. I didn’t follow the event, but I have to agree with whoever said that. There’s nothing more toxic to democracy…

> want you to believe

Are you claiming that politicians are not liars?

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by nix23 »

_red wrote: post #93
zohch wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That there is any controversy in this statement is insane, but I would be very wary of ever making this statement non-anonymously, because I know I'm more likely than not to be cancelled for it. China has mastered the manipulation of the west's successor ideology better than those in the west that instituted it.

>China Its not totally fair to put this all on Chinese manipulation. Western politicians and many "tech elite" all love the concept of CCP-style 'social credit systems' being instituted. This is ultimately what vaxpass is all about.

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