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Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by mrweasel »

smhenderson wrote: post #169
pjmlp wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can start by not buying anything Made In China as much as possible, however I fail to ever see that happening, as most are quick to forget their morals when it hits their wallets.

It's also become increasingly difficult, and in some cases nigh impossible, to avoid items from China. I'm older and don't need a lot beyond the food and shelter I work for, I have plenty of "stuff". But buying clothing, gifts, electronics, well, the list is long and I won't try to cover everything here, that doesn't have at least part of it's assembly provided by China is not easy to avoid. It's not just people's wa…

Clothing isn’t to bad, most is made in other countries, who are terrible in their own way.

For stuff like electronics is impossible, it’s almost all made in China. The only solution I see it keeping stuff for longer or buying used.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by ceejayoz »

lvl100 wrote: post #167
mrweasel wrote: post #139

I really don't understand China, but China also don't care to understand the west one bit. China has zero cultural understand about anything beyond its borders and basically only survives on other cultures being either extremely flexible or completely dependent on China for manufacturing (or both). We're basically just waiting for companies to pull manufacturing from China, because they can deal with the backlash at…

US fed the beast that is CCP and now the beast can’t be controlled. Do you fault the beast or the idiot who miscalculated and kept feeding the beast?

You blame both, since they're both sets of sentients capable of reason, not cats mesmerized by a laser pointer.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by wyuenho »

mrweasel wrote: post #139

I really don't understand China, but China also don't care to understand the west one bit. China has zero cultural understand about anything beyond its borders and basically only survives on other cultures being either extremely flexible or completely dependent on China for manufacturing (or both). We're basically just waiting for companies to pull manufacturing from China, because they can deal with the backlash at…

It's not about culture. China has been interacting with the rest of the world for millennia. It's about mindset. It's about them not willing to let go of their chauvinistic imperial outlook they impart on themselves and to the world.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by philliphaydon »

drekk wrote: post #132
andy_ppp wrote: post #11

I think we should stop using China for cheap Labour in general given how hostile their government are becoming. Where possible I try to buy Taiwanese, Korean and Japanese electronics.

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China is involved in no less than 18 different border disputes. Is encroaching on India territory. Bribed Solomon Island government to switch. Refuses to abide by the law of the seas. Is debt trapping nations in Africa and claiming they aren’t because they don’t directly take control of the projects and instead have Chinese businesses buy large portions of ports and natural resources. Abusing trade agreements. Threatening everyone under the sun. Lied about covid. Tried to cover it up. Spreading propaganda about how it started everywhere other than China. Holding Canada citizens hostage. Persecuting races and religions and ethic minorities. Destroying religious buildings under the guise of “illegal structures”. Building wind and solar farms on land stolen from farmers.

List could go on forever.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by ekianjo »

mrweasel wrote: post #171
smhenderson wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also become increasingly difficult, and in some cases nigh impossible, to avoid items from China. I'm older and don't need a lot beyond the food and shelter I work for, I have plenty of "stuff". But buying clothing, gifts, electronics, well, the list is long and I won't try to cover everything here, that doesn't have at least part of it's assembly provided by China is not easy to avoid. It's not just people's wa…

Clothing isn’t to bad, most is made in other countries, who are terrible in their own way. For stuff like electronics is impossible, it’s almost all made in China. The only solution I see it keeping stuff for longer or buying used.

Not all made per se, but assembled in China at least. china is not yet a powerhouse when it comes to manufacture top of the line SoCs for example.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by whoopdedo »

gelert wrote: post #107
namdnay wrote: post #98

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> a member of the ruling party told the world that we shouldn't call politicians liars - despite the current Prime Minister lying through his teeth at almost every opportunity simply because he can get away with it - because it would undermine people's faith in the political system that keeps lying to them. I didn’t follow the event, but I have to agree with whoever said that. There’s nothing more toxic to democracy…

What's toxic to democracy is politicians lying, and then telling us that p;ointing out their moments of hypocrisy is what's doing the real damage. Describing reality is never bad.

There's a world of difference between "This politician is lying to you." and "All politicians are lying to you." One is a statement against a single incident which can be refuted or supported by additional facts. The other is an unprovable blanket statement which begs the question of whether the government can be trusted.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by throwaway2037 »

mrweasel wrote: post #171
smhenderson wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also become increasingly difficult, and in some cases nigh impossible, to avoid items from China. I'm older and don't need a lot beyond the food and shelter I work for, I have plenty of "stuff". But buying clothing, gifts, electronics, well, the list is long and I won't try to cover everything here, that doesn't have at least part of it's assembly provided by China is not easy to avoid. It's not just people's wa…

Clothing isn’t to bad, most is made in other countries, who are terrible in their own way. For stuff like electronics is impossible, it’s almost all made in China. The only solution I see it keeping stuff for longer or buying used.

On a positive note, most modern electronics have a bunch of "bent metal", screws, and memory + microprocessors. The first two are very low value and frequently produced directly in China. The last two are high value and most frequently produced in Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, the United States, and various parts of Europe. When you look at the "value added" by assembly of an iPhone in China, it is astonishingly low. The vast majority of value (for hardware) is added outside of China.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by Dylan16807 »

breakfastduck wrote: post #151
Dylan16807 wrote: post #51

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> And if the incentives include things like easier to get parole then refusing to participate would mean more time served. So what? That's just serving the original sentence. That doesn't sound forced to me. Is it forced labor when someone chooses to take a community service option instead of being locked up?

Yes of course it is. You're being forced to do it or end up in prison. How is that not forced? It's essentially a choice between 1 option at that point.

You earned the prison. Is it somehow better to remove the option and just lock you up?

Negative prison time, applied to a legitimate sentence, should never count as forcing.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by pjmlp »

blizdiddy wrote: post #165
pjmlp wrote: post #153

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We can start by not buying anything Made In China as much as possible, however I fail to ever see that happening, as most are quick to forget their morals when it hits their wallets.

Yep, who needs foreign policy when we can buy different sneakers? Clearly shaming consumer habits will scale better. If we just all act without self-interest, there is really no problem!

Start by being the change don't wait for it to happen.
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