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https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/11/20/apple-u... ("Apple is lobbying against a bill aimed at stopping forced labor in China")
Should we demand that companies avoid California suppliers as well because of the extensive use of prison labor: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-10-11/californ... https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/policing/2020/11/11/c... https://www.freedomunited.org/news/forced-prison-labor-in-ca...
China does not have a Justice System - it's entirely politicized (people are put to death in private trials with fabricated evidence), but even then, we are not banning stuff 'because Chinese prison'.
We are banning specifically from concentration camps where 100's of thousands of Uyghurs are imprisoned not for any crime, but merely because of their ethnicity.
So if Cali started taking Japanese citizens property, throwing them in jail, and forcing them to work and to 'retrain their thinking' i.e. even worse than what happened to some in WW2, then we could start to talk about moral equivalence.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/lick-it-up-japan-professo...
Do I sense some traces of humor in that news feed algorithm?
It's interesting to see that people on both sides are angry -- for different reasons. People on western Internet are angry at Intel for having issued an apology. People on Chinese Internet are angry because they view it as a non-apology, i.e. Intel still goes ahead with the ban. I see people -- including Chinese diaspora -- calling for banning Intel.
Is this feasible? There's not all that many other options for x86
Should we demand that companies avoid California suppliers as well because of the extensive use of prison labor: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-10-11/californ... https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/policing/2020/11/11/c... https://www.freedomunited.org/news/forced-prison-labor-in-ca...
Definitely! Human rights are the same for all humans.
The concentration camps in China are not for people who have committed crimes, they're for people who are of a specific ethnicity, that's it.
It's interesting to see that people on both sides are angry -- for different reasons. People on western Internet are angry at Intel for having issued an apology. People on Chinese Internet are angry because they view it as a non-apology, i.e. Intel still goes ahead with the ban. I see people -- including Chinese diaspora -- calling for banning Intel.
> I see people -- including Chinese diaspora -- calling for banning Intel. Is this feasible? There's not all that many other options for x86
So what will happen instead? From what I've seen so far, China is careful with counterattacking US because they know the US is stronger. I think the govt will just issue an angry statement but do nothing concrete internationally, while continuing their domestic efforts of semiconductor development as they already have, and also continuing with restructuring Xinjiang's economy (i.e. replacing foreign customers with domestic customers, as happened with cotton)
China has got a massive consumer market, an unmatched manufacturing ecosystem with zero labor disputes among other things, minerals, arguably the most stable (in terms of violence, unrest, strikes, etc.) regions in the world, and more. They have got anyone by their balls who remotely wants to sell anything in China. John Cena (famous wrestler, entertainer) recently apologized to Chinese people after calling Taiwan a…
I think we should stop using China for cheap Labour in general given how hostile their government are becoming. Where possible I try to buy Taiwanese, Korean and Japanese electronics.
There are many repressive aspects to the Chinese regime (and government specifically I suppose); but this is probably less the case today then, say, 30 years ago. Certainly I doubt very much repression has been tightened over the past few years.
If I'm mistaken - please provide references, preferably to non-US-aligned media sources.
*Edit:* Hong-Kong situation notwithstanding.
Should we demand that companies avoid California suppliers as well because of the extensive use of prison labor: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-10-11/californ... https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/policing/2020/11/11/c... https://www.freedomunited.org/news/forced-prison-labor-in-ca...
In the United States prisoners are required to participate in "work duties," which are defined as essential functions of the prison. For example you can be made to wash laundry because you are using bed sheets and clothing. You cannot be forced into doing external work where the benefit of your labor falls to a private entity. Of course you can choose to do so and the primary benefit is not the wages (which are unfai…
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Not buying products from forced labour concentration camps is generally not an issue of 'wokeness'. Hypocritical wokeness (in the pejorative sense) would be Nike shifting from performance atheletes to SJ athletes like Kaeernick, who sadly has made a direct comparison between the NFL selection process and slave auction. And Nike of course sources shoes in Asia from factories with very suspect labour practices. The US…
In Libya, refugees are carted off to "prisons" not much above concentration camps by the EU-financed "Libyan Cost Guard" [1][2], slavery and other forms of human trafficking are blooming across popular migration routes [3]. And no one gives a fuck, despite all of this happening literally in Europe's neighborhood.
Syria's Bashar al-Assad used barrel bombs [4] and chemical weapons [5] against his own population, and "thanks" to Russia protecting him, no one has (and likely, never will be) been prosecuted for these crimes.
No matter if you are a small or a big country, the lesson "never again" from the horrors of the NS dictatorship in Germany seem to have been forgotten entirely.
[1]: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/12/06/the-secretive-...
[2]: https://reliefweb.int/report/libya/complex-persecution-repor...
[3]: https://time.com/longform/african-slave-trade/
[4]: https://reliefweb.int/report/syrian-arab-republic/nine-years...
[5]: https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Timeline-of-Syrian-Ch...