Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

bbc.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

751–760 of 792 posts

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

#751

Post by [deleted] »

hk1337 wrote: post #115
DonaldFisk wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Like Epstein? Exactly. You can't prevent prison suicides. In 2012, when she was home secretary, Theresa May stopped Gary McKinnon's extradition to the USA, on the grounds that he was a high suicide risk, and therefore the extradition violated his human rights. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon ). If only I had similar expectations of our current home secretary.

If we’re talking about murder veiled in suicide then this has a good point but what about an individual’s right to end their own life, to choose how their life should end?

[deleted]

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

#752

Post by Mezzie »

dotnet00 wrote: post #714
Mezzie wrote: post #670

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Ministry of Lies, obviously. Point taken.

Tbh I wasn't really making a point, I just thought it was a funny association

It's a point and a good one: It got me to think of the purpose of said angry pipe dream and if it was a productive use of my time!

Also I always love a good Orwell reference.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

#753

Post by jasonm23 »

bladegash wrote: post #340
pydry wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>No, that is not what I said, nor is that what my point is/was. I see no substantial difference. >To reiterate, "Further, I am of the opinion, being someone who was quite literally in Afghanistan when he leaked the information he did, that any probative value of the information Manning leaked was overshadowed by the indiscriminate way in which it was done." I really don't understand what you being in Afghanistan is s…

The comment about being in Afghanistan was intended to convey that assuming information was released putting people in harms way, that I and people I cared about would have been directly impacted.

My only take away after reading everything you've posted in this thread is that you are committed to the idea that exposing war crimes is a bigger crime than war crimes themselves.

Hopefully that's not what you mean to convey.

Some clarification would go a long way.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

#755

Post by monocasa »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #609
cwkoss wrote: post #602

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US effectively has one party with two costumes.

That's not it. There are meaningful differences. Which party represents the oil industry? Which party represents Hollywood? It's not the same party. The real problem is, which party represents the finance industry? Both of them. Which party is the party of small business? Neither of them. Strong antitrust enforcement? Reducing the scope of wasteful bureaucracy, as distinct from regulatory capture? It's not on the bal…

> Which party represents the oil industry?

https://theintercept.com/2016/10/10/clinton-fracking-theworl...

https://www.salon.com/2016/10/18/leaked-email-hillary-clinto...

It's both, just the voters don't get told that.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

#756

Post by smolder »

cormacrelf wrote: post #728
smolder wrote: post #595

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The legal aspects may be hard to understand, and we may not precisely understand the underlying motivations of either Assange or the government, but the general dynamic is not hard to figure out. Assange spat in the face of the giant, and the law is now only an obstacle for the punishment they want to dole out. My country is throwing its weight around like a petulant bully. I'm starting to accept that lies grease the…

I don’t think you will see any real discussion on those points until it goes to trial. The case here barely touched on those things at all, and if that’s the entire frame you have, then you are missing that extradition is a matter of international relations over anything else. You’re talking about the US as “the government” but Assange and US are before the UK courts. > they went straight to trying to punish Assange…

I'm ignorant of a lot of detail here (though not that the US is arguing to the UK for extradition) but let me explain: I'm lumping the US and UK together only to the extent that I think their intelligence services work together on things (they do) and their power/influence is kind of super-legal; it crosses borders and ignores laws. Dirty tricks would include having apparently fake rape charges made against him, also in a country that wasn't the US. When I said "these legal proceedings" I did mean everything, across jurisdictions, up to the point where the US gets their way and prosecutes him. I'm not saying the UK judge is complicit, but the outcome may still not be beyond influence.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

#757

Post by mehdix »

fredstarr wrote: post #630
ceejayoz wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Look, these talking heads are simply well-paid entertainers - nothing more. Entertainers have First Amendment rights, too. > They enjoy misleading and diverting attention away from the things that really matter. If I feel your argument does that, do I get to revoke your rights? > So I'd recommend that they be stripped of all of those protections and get the same punitive treatment that we, the People (we are the on…

Wow! You actually took my shit serious! LOL. Of course, I'm just being overly dramatic and would never support censorship in any way, shape or form. If you can't sense the sarcasm in my comment, I don't know what else to say :)

Just add /s at the end and it would be a done thing.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

#758

Post by dang »

guilhas wrote: post #743

Going back to the land of the free! USA the country with the most jailed in the world, even China with 4x more population It is baffling how they keep lecturing the world

Edit: yikes—you've been repeatedly posting a bunch of these flamewar comments. That's obviously a bannable offence on HN. Also, you've been using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's also a line at which we ban accounts: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

I'm not going to ban you right now, because you've also posted good comments in the past—but if you do anything like this again, we will have to. If you want to continue to be part of the community here, you're welcome, but we need you to review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN as intended. That means thoughtful, substantive conversation—no more ideological flamebait and certainly no more vandalism like you've been doing lately.

---

original comment:

Please don't post nationalistic flamebait to HN, regardless of which country, and regardless of how right you are (or feel you are) about the underlying issues. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

#759

Post by zepto »

dane-pgp wrote: post #697
zepto wrote: post #539

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They committed to letting him serve his prison term in Australia, if convicted.

I'm afraid you may have fallen for the deliberately misleading words of the supposed assurances given by the US. Here's what the Guardian[0] says of that particular claim (with my emphasis): "and could apply , if convicted, to be transferred to a prison in Australia." My understanding is that his application could be denied, without any recourse, by the DoJ (of whichever administration is in power at the time), and p…

Ah, very weasely. I imagine any prisoner can apply to be transferred to a prison in another country.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

#760

Post by harry8 »

nostrebored wrote: post #489
harry8 wrote: post #403

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason you heard of Wikileaks and Assange isn't for golf. It is for publishing journalism and in particular journalism containing a vast number of journalistic scoops. So many that it catapulted him to international fame. If you believed wikileaks and Assange were famous for golfing or hacking or leaking or baking pie I have sympathy because the smears on what they did and do have been as relentless as they have…

I cannot recall a single journalistic work of Julian Assange. All I know is that he facilitated the dumping of US classified documents onto a publicly accessible webpage. Not making a moral judgment about that here, but that is _exclusively_ the way in which I know him.

Why do use so many words where one, "publishing" is more accurate?

The New York Times facilitated the dumping of the then President's tax returns onto a publicly accessible webpage without being able to confirm they were not stolen by russian spies.

Post reply on HN