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Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by realce »

criley2 wrote: post #36

The histrionics, conspiracy theories and outright lies in this thread are outrageous. The US justice system is not the same as despotic countries like Russia or China. Reality Winner will be released from prison soon. Chelsea Manning, who leaked the info to him, the actual whistleblower who broke the laws, is a free woman. (Could you imagine if Chelsea tried to transition to a woman in Russia or China or other nation…

Reality Winner and Manning are American citizens. Assange is not.

What "games" would YOU play to get out of being extradited to a foreign country for crimes of publishing factual information? Your consolation is that it's only a decade or so of his life in a cage unjustly, no big deal?

You think it is the definition of intelligence to submit to that?

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by mcv »

chevill wrote: post #41
not1ofU wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Epstein is either still alive and retired to some other island, OR, Maxwell is actually the Puppet Master and he was a fall guy. - I think the 2nd is the most likely option, given her family history, and that she hasn't been epstiened. And she is likely to get off, under the excuse of being controlled and in an abusive relationship.

There's a 0% chance that Epstein is alive and a 0% chance she walks on those charges. Miscarriages of justice do happen but for the most part life is not a poorly written TV drama.

Have you watched the past 5 seasons of real life? It was incredibly poorly written.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by criley2 »

throwaway21_ wrote: post #58
criley2 wrote: post #36

The histrionics, conspiracy theories and outright lies in this thread are outrageous. The US justice system is not the same as despotic countries like Russia or China. Reality Winner will be released from prison soon. Chelsea Manning, who leaked the info to him, the actual whistleblower who broke the laws, is a free woman. (Could you imagine if Chelsea tried to transition to a woman in Russia or China or other nation…

Why would he do any time at all? Because the people who actually should be doing time are the people in power so they are somehow immune? Also, Chelsea could transition to a woman without prison too. The fact that they ended/will end in prison while people who actually committed crimes that these two (and Snowden) exposed speaks volumes about how fundamentally different USA is.

Well "throwaway21", interesting that every time this topic comes up, brand new accounts come out of the woodwork. I'm not going to accuse you of being a political actor, but I would point out that Wikileaks exists as part of a new realm of state-funded and state-coordinated private intelligence services created to retain plausible deniability. When certain state funded operations come up, the comment sections do always seem to fill with oddly named brand new accounts, on this website and many others! What a weird coincidence.

As per his crimes, he is charged with a relatively minor criminal offense stemming from his assistance in attempting to crack a password hash to gain unauthorized access to military computers -- a crime that would also be charged in any other western nation. Imagine hiding from a 5 year max sentence for 10 years. Oof.

As for Reality, she really could not have transitioned in Russia and China regardless of prison, that was the point you missed. But as to her crime, yes I do think that the idea of classification and state secrets have merit and that members of the military who violate that can be punished.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by mcv »

Ensorceled wrote: post #53
blackoil wrote: post #15

And this is why I find all the posts around China and why people/company should be ostracised for dealing with them hypocritical.

So if I post something criticizing China's policies towards, say, Tiawan or the Uyghurs, I must include some criticism of a random terrible US policy or I'm a hypocrite? Do I need to also include a criticism of, say, Russia's policies towards the Ukraine or is it only the US?

You must criticise every single injustice on Earth at once, or we just cannot take you seriously.

(I shouldn't have to point out that was sarcasm, but I fear I need to, these days.)

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by criley2 »

realce wrote: post #71
criley2 wrote: post #36

The histrionics, conspiracy theories and outright lies in this thread are outrageous. The US justice system is not the same as despotic countries like Russia or China. Reality Winner will be released from prison soon. Chelsea Manning, who leaked the info to him, the actual whistleblower who broke the laws, is a free woman. (Could you imagine if Chelsea tried to transition to a woman in Russia or China or other nation…

Reality Winner and Manning are American citizens. Assange is not. What "games" would YOU play to get out of being extradited to a foreign country for crimes of publishing factual information? Your consolation is that it's only a decade or so of his life in a cage unjustly, no big deal? You think it is the definition of intelligence to submit to that?

>"What "games" would YOU play to get out of being extradited to a foreign country for crimes of publishing factual information?"

The crime he is charged with has nothing to do with publication of anything, it's a charge stemming from his help attempting to crack a password hash of military computer accounts to help gain unauthorized access to military systems.

Are foreigners allowed to hack military networks in your country?

> You think it is the definition of intelligence to submit to that?

Considering that you're giving me an emotional tale of "CRIME OF PUBLISHING" which is completely contrary to the facts, I would say that the definition of intelligence at the very least includes setting your emotions aside and learning the basic information of a situation before coming to a conclusion

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by DonaldFisk »

sschueller wrote: post #3

"But judges ruled the risk of suicide was removed by assurances from the US." Like Epstein? Let this be a point, there is no press freedom in the United States.

> Like Epstein?

Exactly. You can't prevent prison suicides.

In 2012, when she was home secretary, Theresa May stopped Gary McKinnon's extradition to the USA, on the grounds that he was a high suicide risk, and therefore the extradition violated his human rights. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon). If only I had similar expectations of our current home secretary.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by randomNumber7 »

sleepysysadmin wrote: post #51
the_optimist wrote: post #27

The US is murdering international journalists.

>The US is murdering international journalists. The USA is in 4 ongoing wars crossing 3 different administrations. The USA likes killing international people.

It's seems they have a preference for goatherds though....
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