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Post by bawolff »

clairity wrote: post #139
bawolff wrote: post #120

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Any employee can refuse to work. Its called quitting. That's a very different thing than this of course, which is based around the idea, its not worth it to fire them all.

so coercive tactics by companies against employees is ok but not the reverse? again, that’s a perverse inversion, against the common interests of society at large. corporations are chartered by the government as a means to direct their efforts toward the common good. they’re not natural entities, and we should be way more willing to revoke those charters for the betterment of society.

I'm not sure what you are responding to in my comment. I don't think i said anything of the sort.

If an individual employee doesn't like their job, they should quit and find a different one. If a large portion don't like it, then a labour dispute is one possible way to try and resolve the situation.

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Post by elgernon »

cm2012 wrote: post #90
bko wrote: post #79

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> They work at FAANG. Pretty sure they'll be able to get new jobs very quickly I think companies are acutely aware and growingly suspicious of employee activism. Would you want to hire an activist for your organization? It would be a red flag to me as the activist employees could second guess any decisions made at any level of the organization and work to organize to cause a disruption. It's just not an effective way…

I've seen this happen IRL recently, where a company decided against hiring someone due a history of strongly opinionated employee activism.

I would never hire someone with public activism record. In fact I'd rather hire someone with prior criminal record, as they actually have a chance to recover.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by rsj_hn »

danShumway wrote: post #158
rsj_hn wrote: post #157

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> I mean, I haven't been contacted by them to make a video with them Consider -- just for a moment -- that you are not Dave Chappelle. But if you were an entertainer with his appeal and fanbase, then I don't doubt that Netflix would reach out to you to try to sign you to some specials. In other words, Netflix is not a pez-dispenser of views on political issues. It's an entertainment platform for the entire world. So…

> But if you were an entertainer with his appeal and fanbase And who decides what that line is? Netflix, right? Netflix ultimately gets to decide what its standards are for the content it hosts, that's the only sensible conclusion we can draw. It's the only setup that makes sense in a free market, companies get to choose what products they produce and host. Similarly, Netflix can look at feedback from its customers a…

> Similarly, Netflix can look at feedback from its customers and other clients

Yes. And I got news for you -- the rest of the world thinks these Netflix protestors are crazy, power hungry authoritarians. This special is popular, as is Chapelle.

> it can look at feedback from its workers,

In terms of what netflix shows, workers are not more privileged than any other netflix customer, unless they are the ones hired by Netflix to select content. If you want a collective editorialship role, then go to work for a cooperative, or seek a job with that role. But if you accepted a job as release engineer, then no, you don't get to decide which comedians Netflix signs just because you are a release engineer for Netflix. That's something that workers know when they sign on.

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Post by arthur5005 »

lkey wrote: post #81
InvertedRhodium wrote: post #49

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> The missing context in this article is that two trans employees were suspended for attending a zoom meeting they were linked to by a director Were they invited to the meeting, or did they just acquire a link? Just because I find your conference call number doesn't give me any inherent right to sit in on it.

Can you imagine being suspended for simply entering the wrong call at the meeting's start? I'd be extra-shocked if something like that happened at my workplace, which is similar in size to Netflix. Regardless, since you asked, Netflix backpedalled and reinstated her in writing. https://twitter.com/RainofTerra/status/1448097310026747908 Speaking for myself, when a director who is also attending a meeting sends me a zo…

The person suspended (and then reinstated) intentionally crashed the meeting, and the person let go, leaked the amount paid to David for the special, which is the #1 no no at Netflix, given their business works primarily on information asymmetry. It’s the one thing you definitely shouldn’t do at Netflix, and they knew that.

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Post by danShumway »

rsj_hn wrote: post #163
danShumway wrote: post #158

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> But if you were an entertainer with his appeal and fanbase And who decides what that line is? Netflix, right? Netflix ultimately gets to decide what its standards are for the content it hosts, that's the only sensible conclusion we can draw. It's the only setup that makes sense in a free market, companies get to choose what products they produce and host. Similarly, Netflix can look at feedback from its customers a…

> Similarly, Netflix can look at feedback from its customers and other clients Yes. And I got news for you -- the rest of the world thinks these Netflix protestors are crazy, power hungry authoritarians. This special is popular, as is Chapelle. > it can look at feedback from its workers, In terms of what netflix shows, workers are not more privileged than any other netflix customer, unless they are the ones hired by…

> But if you accepted a job as release engineer, then no, you don't get to decide which comedians Netflix shows just because you are a release engineer for Netflix.

Do the workers get to decide whether they work for Netflix?

If, theoretically, they threatened to stop working, would that fall within the bounds of their freedom of association under the 1st Amendment?

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

jml78 wrote: post #136
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #42

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The only positive mainstream review I’ve seen of his special was not all that positive, but that it was really a Rorschach test for your political leanings. What are the chances not one mainstream outlet had a positive review, was it really that unfunny? He makes jokes about Jews, and Blacks, and Whites, that are completely overshadowed by Twitter (which is not a real place) claiming it was entirely anti-trans. No on…

Here is how I took it. I watched it the day it came out before I read the outrage. I am a southern raised white male. I have seen Dave live. I HAD been a fan of his stuff. I had some issues with his comedy in the past but nothing that made me avoid it. However, this special rang different to me. This special felt the same as white dudes I have heard my entire life. White dudes who would say racist shit and turn aroun…

What his views are? That he was deeply upset his trans friend committed suicide, that he feels it was at least partly because she defended him online, that Twitter sucks and people do things there they would never in life, that he made a trust for Daphne’s daughter, that he is against bathroom laws, that he used his platform to try and stop the bullying of people with social media, that he is a true advocate for free speech? IDK, maybe he is a complex person and maybe you disagree, but I can’t find the monster.

> I think in 20 years you will look back and realize you held shitty views or at least society will

I think my views 20 years ago were near exactly what they are now. What if it’s yours that change? Then was Chapelle ok again?

What if your or my or his opinion doesn’t matter and everyone should be free to have their own and that is just ok even if someone else thinks it’s wrong?

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Post by [deleted] »

clairity wrote: post #149
version_five wrote: post #144

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I think you and many of the comments below are missing a critical point: the employees are objectively in the wrong here. This is not about labor conditions or abuses or something, it's about a group trying to censor content and impose ideology on others. You'd have a point if this was Netflix not allowing breaks or something, but it's really just censorship. If there was a group of christian employees walking out ov…

i can concede that attempting to censor content is generally a poor remedy, for society at large. however, the notion that netflix should then fire the employees without discussion or recourse is just as egregious. let’s get past these superficial aspects, otherwise such discussions are useless.

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Post by bawolff »

version_five wrote: post #144
clairity wrote: post #95

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you've got the importances inverted. letting companies do as they please is no way to run a society. people first, then companies. it's this sort of inversion that's gotten us into the mess of a society we're facing now.

I think you and many of the comments below are missing a critical point: the employees are objectively in the wrong here. This is not about labor conditions or abuses or something, it's about a group trying to censor content and impose ideology on others. You'd have a point if this was Netflix not allowing breaks or something, but it's really just censorship. If there was a group of christian employees walking out ov…

There is no such thing as objectively "wrong" and "right". You can't prove normative statements.

[I'm not a fan of cencorship either]

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Post by dang »

analognoise wrote: post #100
acdha wrote: post #70

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I find it interesting that you use inflammatory language like “cancelled by the mob” while copying terminology and unsupported theories that tabloids like the Daily Mail use to incite outrage and mob-like reactions of their own. She committed suicide after what appears to be a troubled life, months after being criticized by other members of the trans community on Twitter. Unless you have some special knowledge of her…

It was six days after being dragged by Trans Twitter, according to Dave. Why engage with the jackals who drive one of their own to suicide and claim to have a negative opinion but won't watch the special? Why give them any special treatment?

Your comment here is a noticeable step further into flamewar. Can you please not do that on HN?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by dang »

rc2634 wrote: post #104
acdha wrote: post #70

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I find it interesting that you use inflammatory language like “cancelled by the mob” while copying terminology and unsupported theories that tabloids like the Daily Mail use to incite outrage and mob-like reactions of their own. She committed suicide after what appears to be a troubled life, months after being criticized by other members of the trans community on Twitter. Unless you have some special knowledge of her…

You can’t engage intellectually with someone who is criticizing something without even watching it fully to understand the context.

Your account has unfortunately been using HN primarily for ideological battle. We ban such accounts, regardless of what they're battling for or against, because this is destructive of the curious conversation HN is supposed to be for.

If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

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