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1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by bko »

cm2012 wrote: post #90
bko wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They work at FAANG. Pretty sure they'll be able to get new jobs very quickly I think companies are acutely aware and growingly suspicious of employee activism. Would you want to hire an activist for your organization? It would be a red flag to me as the activist employees could second guess any decisions made at any level of the organization and work to organize to cause a disruption. It's just not an effective way…

I've seen this happen IRL recently, where a company decided against hiring someone due a history of strongly opinionated employee activism.

I don't blame them. I would definitely consider activism when picking someone for my team. At the end of the day I like working in mission focused organizations. I love working with a diverse group of people, but it's critical that a mission unites us

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by SantalBlush »

Osiris wrote: post #52
SantalBlush wrote: post #35

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That is not what people are taking issue with. Regardless of where anyone stands on the issue, much of the special was about LGBT people, and the bit about his friend could hardly be construed as the most offensive part.

This is hardly the most offensive comedic content around. In my experience it's actually harder to find less offensive comedy than very offensive comedy. Ever wonder why "clean" comics are so rare? Comedy is offensive by it's very nature.

I agree with you, and I'm not sure what you're replying to.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by acdha »

rc2634 wrote: post #104
acdha wrote: post #70

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I find it interesting that you use inflammatory language like “cancelled by the mob” while copying terminology and unsupported theories that tabloids like the Daily Mail use to incite outrage and mob-like reactions of their own. She committed suicide after what appears to be a troubled life, months after being criticized by other members of the trans community on Twitter. Unless you have some special knowledge of her…

You can’t engage intellectually with someone who is criticizing something without even watching it fully to understand the context.

How do you know they didn’t watch it otherwise?

Similarly, if you think the context changes things that much, you could explain how, since it’s often not that simple.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by bawolff »

hresvelgr wrote: post #74
sxp wrote: post #12

For those who haven't seen the special, the core of the controversy appears to be Chappelle mourning his friend, Daphne Dorman. She was a transgender standup comedian who opened for Chappelle and defended his comedy against the Twitter mob. She killed herself shortly after she was canceled by the mob and Chappelle set up a trust fund for her daughter. Chappelle paid tribute to her in his special, but he did it in an…

If we want to talk about moral virtue, actions speak louder than words. Dave, by the sounds of it was a kind and gracious friend to Daphne and this was corroborated by her family. He offered her to open for him in a club as well, a great opportunity given his tenure as a comedian. In addition, upon hearing of her passing, setup a trust for her daughter. The twitter mob on the other hand tried to have her cancelled af…

I don't support internet mobs - they generally seem to hurt innocent people (or hurt the guilty in excess of what they deserve) - but i don't see those two as mutually exclusive.

Presumably the twitter mob is mad (rightly or wrongly - i havent watched the special) about transphobia by Dave in general. It is entirely possible that Dave could be a great friend to Daphne and be transphobic at the same time. You can be friends with a trans person and transphobic at the same time (just like you can be sexist and friends with a woman at the same time, etc). Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by [deleted] »

Infinitesimus wrote: post #23
m0zg wrote: post #8

"Cuties" was fine, but a stand-up skit is where they draw the line. Glad they have their priorities straightened out.

To be fair, cuties had a lot of controversy around it too. As with such matters, that's long forgotten in the world of twitter and people have moved on to the next thing. This too will pass.

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Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by bawolff »

bko wrote: post #111
cm2012 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen this happen IRL recently, where a company decided against hiring someone due a history of strongly opinionated employee activism.

I don't blame them. I would definitely consider activism when picking someone for my team. At the end of the day I like working in mission focused organizations. I love working with a diverse group of people, but it's critical that a mission unites us

Do you really believe your mission unites your employees?

Maybe if you're curing cancer or something, but for most tech workers working on some generic CRUD app, they pay lip service to being motivated by the "mission", but settle for something mildly interesting that hopefully isn't actively doing evil in the world.

Your employees trade time and skill for money. Hearts and souls is a much less common trade.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by SantalBlush »

busymom0 wrote: post #50
SantalBlush wrote: post #35

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That is not what people are taking issue with. Regardless of where anyone stands on the issue, much of the special was about LGBT people, and the bit about his friend could hardly be construed as the most offensive part.

There’s thousands of skits about brown, black, white, asian, men, women and every other diversity box possible which everyone has loved laughing at for forever and continues to do so till this date. If one can’t stand jokes against their diversity box, then they aren’t seeking equality, they are seeking supremacy.

What are you replying to? I'm not talking about whether or not it's okay to make fun of trans people. I'm saying the bit about Chappelle's friend was one of the least offensive parts of the special, and it's not the part that some people are taking issue with. I didn't even express my feelings about offensive comedy in my comment, you just inferred that because you have some axe to grind about the subject.

For the record, I agree and I enjoy offensive comedy.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by dragonwriter »

busymom0 wrote: post #50
SantalBlush wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not what people are taking issue with. Regardless of where anyone stands on the issue, much of the special was about LGBT people, and the bit about his friend could hardly be construed as the most offensive part.

There’s thousands of skits about brown, black, white, asian, men, women and every other diversity box possible which everyone has loved laughing at for forever and continues to do so till this date. If one can’t stand jokes against their diversity box, then they aren’t seeking equality, they are seeking supremacy.

> There’s thousands of skits about brown, black, white, asian, men, women and every other diversity box possible which everyone has loved laughing at for forever and continues to do so till this date.

Yes, there are. Including about the “diversity box” targeted by Chappelle, that are nevertheless appreciated by the people upset at Chappelle.

Not all things that someone slaps the label “joke” on are created equal.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by m0zg »

Gortal278 wrote: post #61
m0zg wrote: post #26

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No "walkouts" or resignations though. I did cancel my Netflix membership - I can't and won't support normalization of pedophilia.

Did you watch the movie? Or cancel based on headline reading/twitter comments?

I don't need to watch 11 year old girls crotches to find sexualization of prepubescent children strongly objectionable.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by bawolff »

bko wrote: post #107
clairity wrote: post #95

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you've got the importances inverted. letting companies do as they please is no way to run a society. people first, then companies. it's this sort of inversion that's gotten us into the mess of a society we're facing now.

I disagree. You need strong leadership in an organization. You can't run an organization with 10k employees where any employee can hold you hostage and refuse to work if they disagree with any decision made.

Any employee can refuse to work. Its called quitting.

That's a very different thing than this of course, which is based around the idea, its not worth it to fire them all.

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