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Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by lkey »

InvertedRhodium wrote: post #49
lkey wrote: post #29

The missing context in this article is that two trans employees were suspended for attending a zoom meeting they were linked to by a director. One of those employees had written a twitter thread critical of the special on their personal account. The second thing to note is they fired an organizer of this protest claiming that they leaked how well this special did (broke even basically) just a couple days ago. This is…

> The missing context in this article is that two trans employees were suspended for attending a zoom meeting they were linked to by a director Were they invited to the meeting, or did they just acquire a link? Just because I find your conference call number doesn't give me any inherent right to sit in on it.

Can you imagine being suspended for simply entering the wrong call at the meeting's start?

I'd be extra-shocked if something like that happened at my workplace, which is similar in size to Netflix.

Regardless, since you asked, Netflix backpedalled and reinstated her in writing. https://twitter.com/RainofTerra/status/1448097310026747908

Speaking for myself, when a director who is also attending a meeting sends me a zoom link, that's an invitation to attend.

Edit: More context, it was just a friggin stream: https://twitter.com/RainofTerra/status/1449667391865044994

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by SuoDuanDao »

lkey wrote: post #67
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only positive mainstream review I’ve seen of his special was not all that positive, but that it was really a Rorschach test for your political leanings. What are the chances not one mainstream outlet had a positive review, was it really that unfunny? He makes jokes about Jews, and Blacks, and Whites, that are completely overshadowed by Twitter (which is not a real place) claiming it was entirely anti-trans. No on…

More black trans women were violently murdered in 2020 than in any other year since HRC began tracking. https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-tra... 2021 is looking to surpass that... Part of his criticism was centered around how the 'alphabet people' have made rapid strides, but that conveniently forgets that black people can be gay or trans too, and also haven't made the same gains white LGBTQ fo…

>This is a pet peeve of mine, but someone actually tell me which millionaire/billionaire actually remained 'cancelled' after being cancelled.

Papa John?

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by worrycue »

sxp wrote: post #12

For those who haven't seen the special, the core of the controversy appears to be Chappelle mourning his friend, Daphne Dorman. She was a transgender standup comedian who opened for Chappelle and defended his comedy against the Twitter mob. She killed herself shortly after she was canceled by the mob and Chappelle set up a trust fund for her daughter. Chappelle paid tribute to her in his special, but he did it in an…

> She killed herself shortly after she was canceled by the mob

I wonder at times how many more people the Twitter mob is going to hurt. So few people are even talking about it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/10/new-pur...

P.S. I didn't watch the special but I did watch a pirated clip (audio only) on YouTube from a show called The Closer - which I assume is the special in question.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by stjohnswarts »

chuckee wrote: post #36
arthurcolle wrote: post #2

If you don't like the company's decisions, you should stop working for the company - easy enough. I feel like the social justice brigade needs to seriously lighten up - maybe don't watch content that sets you off so easily? Just like everyone has had to do since.. the invention of television and other broadcast media?

> If you don't like the company's decisions, you should stop working for the company - easy enough. While I don't agree with the aims of the employees in question, I should point out that unions came about because your advice does not work. The only way to stand a chance against organized capital is with organized labor. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28603398

Sure but you have to get enough organized labor. This is a niche topic and I'm guessing the other 99% of netflix don't care enough about it to get fired. Organized labor generally appeared because of universal bad working conditions, pay, voice in governance, etc. Not really because of less popular items like LGBQ concerns about a comedian's opinions.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by xdennis »

malwarebytess wrote: post #46

The poison is deep. China and Europe are going to eat the USA alive, lol.

China, maybe. Europe is just delayed America. Whatever happens there gets eventually copied in Europe.

Rammstein put it best: "we're all living in Amerika".

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by arthurcolle »

bko wrote: post #66
version_five wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you say if Netflix called their bluff and just fired all the people that walked out? This reminds me more of the student protests we used to see, where they wanted to walk out of classes or miss exams but also wanted special treatment so they didn't fail the class. I've got no problem with not working at a place whose values you dont agree with, but I see this kind of action (and similar things at other te…

> What would you say if Netflix called their bluff and just fired all the people that walked out? The employees would go on to complain about being improperly let go. This is what happened to Google AI Ethicist Timnit Gebru [0]. She wrote a very public letter demanding changes or she'll resign and Google took her up on the offer. If you go through her twitter[1] you can see she made the firing into her identity now e…

* she/her

great byline, surely a hill to die on as opposed to real credentials. Can't remember what this is from but this quote always feels super applicable to these times: "World's gone mad, going off the grid. over"

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by rsj_hn »

dragonwriter wrote: post #4
arthurcolle wrote: post #2

If you don't like the company's decisions, you should stop working for the company - easy enough. I feel like the social justice brigade needs to seriously lighten up - maybe don't watch content that sets you off so easily? Just like everyone has had to do since.. the invention of television and other broadcast media?

> If you don't like the company's decisions, you should stop working for the company - easy enough. That's exactly the threat here, but with an opportunity for the company to alter its decision making if it wants the labor.

Pretty sure the Netflix would rather be rid of those who have totalitarian tendencies than to be rid Chappelle, given that their mission as an entertainment company is undermined by this type of censorship.

There's a long line of people who can provide the same labor to Netflix without the hysteria, so a parting of ways would be a pareto improving outcome.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by raverbashing »

falcolas wrote: post #53
andrew_ wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but he did it in an offensive way I find this part of the statement to be a falsehood. He did it in a comedic way, which was part of the point he was trying to make. See: https://nypost.com/2021/10/15/airplane-creator-slams-joy-kil...

Something said by a comedian doesn’t make it a joke. And something being a joke doesn’t shield it (or the teller) from criticism.

Agreed, as in a lot of times comedy is used as a fake excuse to get out of something that intended to offend.

If the main point was critique with comedy, sure, it makes sense to see through it.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by arthur5005 »

So what’s the demand of the walkout? That they cancel the Dave Chapelle special? A black comedian who struggled through accusations being a “mentally ill black crackhead” when he walked away from 50 million dollars?

Doesn’t that just prove his point about the double standard and culture of victimhood and success in the trans movement?

This all seems to highlight the problem he’s bringing to the forefront.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by cm2012 »

bko wrote: post #79
bawolff wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What would you say if Netflix called their bluff and just fired all the people that walked out? They work at FAANG. Pretty sure they'll be able to get new jobs very quickly. I suspect people involved with work stoppages who aren't protected via a union are keenly aware of the possibility of being fired and have deemed it worth the risk. > This reminds me more of the student protests we used to see, where they wante…

> They work at FAANG. Pretty sure they'll be able to get new jobs very quickly I think companies are acutely aware and growingly suspicious of employee activism. Would you want to hire an activist for your organization? It would be a red flag to me as the activist employees could second guess any decisions made at any level of the organization and work to organize to cause a disruption. It's just not an effective way…

I've seen this happen IRL recently, where a company decided against hiring someone due a history of strongly opinionated employee activism.
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