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1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by kcplate »

bawolff wrote: post #114
hresvelgr wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we want to talk about moral virtue, actions speak louder than words. Dave, by the sounds of it was a kind and gracious friend to Daphne and this was corroborated by her family. He offered her to open for him in a club as well, a great opportunity given his tenure as a comedian. In addition, upon hearing of her passing, setup a trust for her daughter. The twitter mob on the other hand tried to have her cancelled af…

I don't support internet mobs - they generally seem to hurt innocent people (or hurt the guilty in excess of what they deserve) - but i don't see those two as mutually exclusive. Presumably the twitter mob is mad (rightly or wrongly - i havent watched the special) about transphobia by Dave in general. It is entirely possible that Dave could be a great friend to Daphne and be transphobic at the same time. You can be f…

> It is entirely possible that Dave could be a great friend to Daphne and be transphobic at the same time

He says as much in the special, but the message that the hyper-offended mob seems to miss is that in the end of the special he realizes that Daphne’s trans identity was secondary and frankly unimportant to her identity as a human and comedian. Basically realizing he came to view Daphne pretty much as Daphne wanted to be viewed and how she viewed herself.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by arthurcolle »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #128
bko wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. You need strong leadership in an organization. You can't run an organization with 10k employees where any employee can hold you hostage and refuse to work if they disagree with any decision made.

Literally every steel mill worked this way for quite a long time and did just fine.

Look at the booming US steel industry we have today!

/s

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by empthought »

acdha wrote: post #126
analognoise wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was six days after being dragged by Trans Twitter, according to Dave. Why engage with the jackals who drive one of their own to suicide and claim to have a negative opinion but won't watch the special? Why give them any special treatment?

Most of the stories point to this August 29th tweet: https://twitter.com/DaphneDorman/status/1166937728681791488 Maybe that dragged on, maybe there’s some private messages he heard about which aren’t public but the main point was simply that it seems like a politically convenient stretch to state with certainty that the blame goes entirely to an undefined “mob” rather than any of the other factors her friends and fam…

If you look at Daphne’s “tweets and replies” you can see responses to entire threads that have been removed/deleted, many from suspended accounts.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by version_five »

clairity wrote: post #95
bko wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They work at FAANG. Pretty sure they'll be able to get new jobs very quickly I think companies are acutely aware and growingly suspicious of employee activism. Would you want to hire an activist for your organization? It would be a red flag to me as the activist employees could second guess any decisions made at any level of the organization and work to organize to cause a disruption. It's just not an effective way…

you've got the importances inverted. letting companies do as they please is no way to run a society. people first, then companies. it's this sort of inversion that's gotten us into the mess of a society we're facing now.

I think you and many of the comments below are missing a critical point: the employees are objectively in the wrong here. This is not about labor conditions or abuses or something, it's about a group trying to censor content and impose ideology on others. You'd have a point if this was Netflix not allowing breaks or something, but it's really just censorship. If there was a group of christian employees walking out over non-Christian values in a show, would you still support it as "people first"? Censorship is censorship, whatever the ideology behind it, it's up to me what I want to watch, not employees at the infrastructure provider

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by hresvelgr »

bawolff wrote: post #114
hresvelgr wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we want to talk about moral virtue, actions speak louder than words. Dave, by the sounds of it was a kind and gracious friend to Daphne and this was corroborated by her family. He offered her to open for him in a club as well, a great opportunity given his tenure as a comedian. In addition, upon hearing of her passing, setup a trust for her daughter. The twitter mob on the other hand tried to have her cancelled af…

I don't support internet mobs - they generally seem to hurt innocent people (or hurt the guilty in excess of what they deserve) - but i don't see those two as mutually exclusive. Presumably the twitter mob is mad (rightly or wrongly - i havent watched the special) about transphobia by Dave in general. It is entirely possible that Dave could be a great friend to Daphne and be transphobic at the same time. You can be f…

> just like you can be sexist and friends with a woman at the same time

The friendship will tolerate what it will, until it can't. I think situations like these occur all the time, but unless one side shows more empathy or understanding, the friendship doesn't tend to last. I believe Dave's friendship with Daphne changed him. I think this is further supported by him saying at the end of the special that he won't be making anymore jokes about LGBTQ+ people until he knows everyone's laughing together. That to me, sounds like someone who was changed by a friendship. Whether he stays true to his words, we'll have to see.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by throw_m239339 »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #7

Time to check for openings at Netflix. I'll gladly take their place and I'm sure that I'm not alone.

Hi, Netflix, I will consider any work opportunity in your fantastic business as it looks like a lot of positions will be available shortly. I'm 100% mission focused and committed to technology and nothing else.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by rsj_hn »

clairity wrote: post #139
bawolff wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any employee can refuse to work. Its called quitting. That's a very different thing than this of course, which is based around the idea, its not worth it to fire them all.

so coercive tactics by companies against employees is ok but not the reverse? again, that’s a perverse inversion, against the common interests of society at large. corporations are chartered by the government as a means to direct their efforts toward the common good. they’re not natural entities, and we should be way more willing to revoke those charters for the betterment of society.

The interests of society are not served by a group of activists with extremist views trying to impose their values on the entire planet by leveraging the fact that they work for a global brand, and then trying to use that leverage to deplatform anyone who offends them.

Letting people watch what they want is the democratic position that benefits society at large.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

The sourcing here seems incredibly thin. Who says 1,000 employees are walking out? Variety links to another Variety article as a source for this statement, which in turn links to a Verge article as the source. The Verge article says nothing about 1,000 employees walking out, and contains only a single, anonymous claim that they characterize as,"a leader of the trans ERG in an internal organizing message."

It would be interesting to see how many actual Netflix employees are outraged enough by a comedy routine to walk out on their jobs.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/12/22723592/netflix-trans-e...

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by clairity »

version_five wrote: post #144
clairity wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you've got the importances inverted. letting companies do as they please is no way to run a society. people first, then companies. it's this sort of inversion that's gotten us into the mess of a society we're facing now.

I think you and many of the comments below are missing a critical point: the employees are objectively in the wrong here. This is not about labor conditions or abuses or something, it's about a group trying to censor content and impose ideology on others. You'd have a point if this was Netflix not allowing breaks or something, but it's really just censorship. If there was a group of christian employees walking out ov…

i can concede that attempting to censor content is generally a poor remedy, for society at large. however, the notion that netflix should then fire the employees without discussion or recourse is just as egregious. let’s get past these superficial aspects, otherwise such discussions are useless.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by clairity »

rsj_hn wrote: post #147
clairity wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so coercive tactics by companies against employees is ok but not the reverse? again, that’s a perverse inversion, against the common interests of society at large. corporations are chartered by the government as a means to direct their efforts toward the common good. they’re not natural entities, and we should be way more willing to revoke those charters for the betterment of society.

The interests of society are not served by a group of activists with extremist views trying to impose their values on the entire planet by leveraging the fact that they work for a global brand, and then trying to use that leverage to deplatform anyone who offends them. Letting people watch what they want is the democratic position that benefits society at large.

the company should use this opportunity to move the ball forward wrt deeper, mutual understanding, not retaliate with mass firings (which is the recommendation i was responding to). that’s escalation, and does nobody any good.
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