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Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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The difference being that pro-gay activists are not doing any of the bad and absurd things that pro-trans activists are doing: attacking freedom of speech, denying the biological basis of sex in the ape species Homo sapiens, ending people's careers who disagree with them, attacking feminism, damaging pro-gay movements, canceling people, etc. You don't get to assume that people aren't angry about the behavior of pro-t…

this is basically the “angry black man” defense - just because some people aren’t protesting in a way you approve of doesn’t mean it’s ok to hate the group indiscriminately

I hope this doesn't need saying, but it's the activists I am criticizing -- the majority of whom are not trans. I have no criticisms whatsoever of anyone on the basis of their gender identity or sexuality.

But yes, if the activist community fails to disassociate itself from / speak out against radicals who are harming people, then that activist community is going to receive criticism.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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This is, I think, the key detail. Everything else is subjective enough that it's easy for people inclined to dismiss the whole thing to make a reason up. There's really no way to misunderstand those things. He's declared an allegiance with people who spend all their time on Twitter and forums dehumanizing trans people, often using the same insinuation that being a woman is the same as doing blackface. Maybe he's igno…

Does "being a TERF" mean that you side with women like J.K. Rowling defending traditional positions on gender debates rather than siding with a minority of vocal pro-trans activists who are deliberately causing trouble and don't represent all trans people? If so then I'm a TERF, my mom's a TERF, in fact all mom's I know over the age of 50 are TERFs. Furthermore pretty much everybody in every non-western country is a…

> Furthermore pretty much everybody in every non-western country is a TERF.

Not everyone outside the West is a feminist, much less a radical feminist, trans-exclusionary or not.

(Though, to be fair, most people accused of being “TERFs” are at most moderate bourgeois feminists rather than radical feminists, but still even that is pretty unusual in lots of non-Western countries.)

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> Furthermore pretty much everybody in every non-western country is a TERF. Many non-western nations traditionally had third gender (Hijras in India, Kathoey in Thailand, many Native American Two-Spirit Identities). When these places were colonized these identities were used as a justification, and generally punished harshly. The argument that "only people in western nations tolerate this", is bad-faith, and doesn't…

I've been excited to see a growing movement by indigenous people to reclaim their ancient understandings of identity in general, and gender in particular now that colonizers have lost the energy they had for suppression in past decades and centuries. A lot of it is just gone , but the nice thing about a living culture is it can rebuild and recover and build new concepts in the gaps.

>reclaim their ancient understandings

hopefully not the human sacrifice though, there are some indigenous traditions better left in the past

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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No, really? And comedy isn't?

No. Comedy and fiction are separate concepts. For instance, what we're discussing in this thread is comedy being used in a non-fictional context, which makes your implication that we should be more concerned about violence against fictional characters seem like a comparison between apples and a picture of an orange. The reason no one is up in arms about people getting killed in Squid Game is that it isn't real. The t…

No harm was inflicted in the comedy. It was a joke. Jokes can offend. Some people are extremely easily offended, some laugh at the harshest joke at their expense. Get over yourself.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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This is how art, comedy and free speech dies. You take the hyper-sensitive, outrage-addicted Twitter culture as measuring stick for what is appropriate. Whilst Netflix did resist a full take-down, they still took a knee. Don't bow to the unreasonables, just publish and don't explain anything. And indeed, fire the anti-employees, whom sabotage your business. You're offended? So what? Grow up. Meanwhile hit show "Squid…

this is so hyperbolic, people have been saying political correctness is killing comedy for decades and it’s fine - louis ck literally ejaculated in front of women without their consent and is still touring and doing comedy

This very situation shows it's not fine.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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post #64

This is how art, comedy and free speech dies. You take the hyper-sensitive, outrage-addicted Twitter culture as measuring stick for what is appropriate. Whilst Netflix did resist a full take-down, they still took a knee. Don't bow to the unreasonables, just publish and don't explain anything. And indeed, fire the anti-employees, whom sabotage your business. You're offended? So what? Grow up. Meanwhile hit show "Squid…

this, Netflix should not explain their actions. And if they suspend someone they better follow through and just fire them, indecisiveness projects weakness.

I'm glad Reed Hastings fully supports this, he is a major donor to the DNC, they are fighting their own.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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It feels disingenuous to use this as the headline as it implies they were fired for organizing the walkout instead of for leaking internal data: A Netflix spokesperson confirmed the employees’ dismissal. “We have let go of an employee for sharing confidential, commercially sensitive information outside the company,” they said.

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Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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this is so hyperbolic, people have been saying political correctness is killing comedy for decades and it’s fine - louis ck literally ejaculated in front of women without their consent and is still touring and doing comedy

This very situation shows it's not fine.

the situation where the comedian everyone is mad about is still filthy rich and getting tons of press? working the same as it always has

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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I just watched it. I don’t feel like I live in a real world anymore. This whole outrage is manufactured and there are so many resellers. Dave spends the last 15 minutes of the show telling a heartbreaking story of how he made friends with a transgender woman, and invited her to open his show for him, she sucked but then when she was being herself during the show and afterwards backstage she had everyone howling with…

He said that he's on "team TERF" and compared being trans to wearing black face. It's not "manufactured", there are a lot of people upset that he's punching down against a vulnerable community.

If you watch it you'll be pretty embarrassed about using the term "punching down"

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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I just watched it. I don’t feel like I live in a real world anymore. This whole outrage is manufactured and there are so many resellers. Dave spends the last 15 minutes of the show telling a heartbreaking story of how he made friends with a transgender woman, and invited her to open his show for him, she sucked but then when she was being herself during the show and afterwards backstage she had everyone howling with…

Glad I watched it before this spoiler..
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