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Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by krapp »

fleddr wrote: post #71
krapp wrote: post #65

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>Meanwhile hit show "Squid Games" depicts hundreds of people executed, and there's nothing but love and praise. You do realize that's fiction, right?

No, really? And comedy isn't?

No. Comedy and fiction are separate concepts.

For instance, what we're discussing in this thread is comedy being used in a non-fictional context, which makes your implication that we should be more concerned about violence against fictional characters seem like a comparison between apples and a picture of an orange.

The reason no one is up in arms about people getting killed in Squid Game is that it isn't real. The trans community, meanwhile, does actually exist.

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Post by CarelessExpert »

mkr-hn wrote: post #56
undoware wrote: post #48

I'm not going to explain this to you all, but yeah, the language used by Chappelle has specific and very serious consequences for people like me. Yes, it's transphobic. That you cannot smell this out -- or do, but pretend you don't -- says a heartbreaking amount about HN culture. We're here, right beside you , in your workplaces, in your forums, hearing what you say. And then we have to do our damn jobs. Do you know…

I seem to be in net positive point territory being critical of Netflix in numerous comments. I used to get flag killed and rate limited for that kind of thing! A too small improvement, but an improvement nonetheless.

Fun fact: The parent's comment was briefly flag killed. No idea how it came back, but... just goes to show, things haven't changed as much as you might think.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by micromacrofoot »

da39a3ee wrote: post #75
micromacrofoot wrote: post #66

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this is the same exact reasoning people use to justify being homophobic

The difference being that pro-gay activists are not doing any of the bad and absurd things that pro-trans activists are doing: attacking freedom of speech, denying the biological basis of sex in the ape species Homo sapiens, ending people's careers who disagree with them, attacking feminism, damaging pro-gay movements, canceling people, etc. You don't get to assume that people aren't angry about the behavior of pro-t…

this is basically the “angry black man” defense - just because some people aren’t protesting in a way you approve of doesn’t mean it’s ok to hate the group indiscriminately

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by mkr-hn »

da39a3ee wrote: post #75
micromacrofoot wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is the same exact reasoning people use to justify being homophobic

The difference being that pro-gay activists are not doing any of the bad and absurd things that pro-trans activists are doing: attacking freedom of speech, denying the biological basis of sex in the ape species Homo sapiens, ending people's careers who disagree with them, attacking feminism, damaging pro-gay movements, canceling people, etc. You don't get to assume that people aren't angry about the behavior of pro-t…

The same people will claim bi people are damaging the pro-gay movement, so I don't put much stock in their views. Gatekeeping is absurd when the people it keeps out just want to live their lives.

Also? There are trans women who say I'm a trans woman who hides behind nonbinary to avoid the difficulty of transitioning. That position is just as harmful and ignorant, and I still fully support binary trans people. That some people are butts is not an excuse to dismiss an entire group of humans.

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Post by Ekaros »

krapp wrote: post #30
bentlegen wrote: post #14

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I don’t disagree with this, but is mocking Trump supporters punching up or punching down? Honest question.

When they were in power it was punching up. Now I think it's just punching sideways or up depending on who's doing the punching, unless they're celebrities or Orangemanbad himself, in which case up. It's almost impossible to punch down on Trump supporters because they overwhelmingly represent a movement by which the privileged classes are attempting to maintain their privilege and power, and because they're constantl…

I wouldn't call Trump supporters privileged classes. Aren't they mostly blue collar workers? Not the political, cultural, financial elites and high earning immensely privileged urbanites?

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by mkr-hn »

Joeboy wrote: post #78
mkr-hn wrote: post #72

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Transphobia is contradictory to any definition of feminism rooted in the actual history of feminism. TERF ideology depends on the belief that trans women are confused men, trans men are confused lesbians, and nonbinary people are just confused.

Well, I've been hanging around feminist women for some decades and my perception of events is that a significant proprtion of women who used to just be called feminists now get dragged for being TERFs.

My feminists can beat up your feminists. Seriously, what is this, third grade? Yes, some people latch on to movements without really understanding them. Not everyone reads theory. It's inevitable with movements that try to be inclusive, and preferable to the alternative. They can still call themselves feminists, and I can call them bad feminists.

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Post by da39a3ee »

Omnitaus wrote: post #77
da39a3ee wrote: post #63

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Does "being a TERF" mean that you side with women like J.K. Rowling defending traditional positions on gender debates rather than siding with a minority of vocal pro-trans activists who are deliberately causing trouble and don't represent all trans people? If so then I'm a TERF, my mom's a TERF, in fact all mom's I know over the age of 50 are TERFs. Furthermore pretty much everybody in every non-western country is a…

I am trans. The debate is that I would like to live, and they do not want me to live. Either I'm a human being or I'm not, but framing it as a debate does very little to conceal the violence. Netflix platformed violence which didn't surprise me, what does surprise me is the extent to which people play it off as just jokes or bring out the same tired token minority friend defense

I'm not talking about people who don't want you to live. I'm talking about people somewhere near JK Rowling in the debate; I'm talking about the majority of people who simply don't accept all aspects of the new language relating to gender that a small but vocal minority are attempting to force on them.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by CarelessExpert »

undoware wrote: post #48

I'm not going to explain this to you all, but yeah, the language used by Chappelle has specific and very serious consequences for people like me. Yes, it's transphobic. That you cannot smell this out -- or do, but pretend you don't -- says a heartbreaking amount about HN culture. We're here, right beside you , in your workplaces, in your forums, hearing what you say. And then we have to do our damn jobs. Do you know…

I wrote up a whole reply but yours was flagged and then unflagged and my comment was lost...

Anyway, just be aware you have allies. I've just given up participating on HN when these topics come up since it's gotten so utterly polarized and hyperbolic. I typically just flag the article and move on. I assume there's a pretty large silent audience of folks like myself who are simply exhausted by the whole thing and are done being exposed to the negativity and borderline conspiracy theories floating around here. I come to HN for cool tech stories, not to be exposed to even more American political food fights.

Of course, despite that, here I am... but, hey, I never said I had self-control...

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by xdennis »

Omnitaus wrote: post #77
da39a3ee wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does "being a TERF" mean that you side with women like J.K. Rowling defending traditional positions on gender debates rather than siding with a minority of vocal pro-trans activists who are deliberately causing trouble and don't represent all trans people? If so then I'm a TERF, my mom's a TERF, in fact all mom's I know over the age of 50 are TERFs. Furthermore pretty much everybody in every non-western country is a…

I am trans. The debate is that I would like to live, and they do not want me to live. Either I'm a human being or I'm not, but framing it as a debate does very little to conceal the violence. Netflix platformed violence which didn't surprise me, what does surprise me is the extent to which people play it off as just jokes or bring out the same tired token minority friend defense

> [...] but framing it as a debate does very little to conceal the violence. Netflix platformed violence [...]

Comedic irreverence is not violence. You're only making others to not take you seriously when you say that speech can be violence. Some speech can lead to it, but it's most certainly not violence.

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Post by plorkyeran »

da39a3ee wrote: post #80
sigmar wrote: post #70

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>Furthermore pretty much everybody in every non-western country is a TERF. I don't think you know a lot of the meanings of words you're using. Firstly "TERF" ideology is pretty new and not the "traditional position of gender debates." It branched off of recent feminist movements. Most of non-western countries are not TERFs, probably not even feminist by most current definitions, and definitely not radical.

The definition being used is in the first sentence of my post. Yes perhaps it's non standard, but "TERF" is a pejorative invented by pro-trans activists.

TERF was a term coined by TERFs who then backed away from it when it started being used derogatorily.
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