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Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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I'm not going to explain this to you all, but yeah, the language used by Chappelle has specific and very serious consequences for people like me. Yes, it's transphobic. That you cannot smell this out -- or do, but pretend you don't -- says a heartbreaking amount about HN culture. We're here, right beside you , in your workplaces, in your forums, hearing what you say. And then we have to do our damn jobs. Do you know…

Well, that comment didn't take long to lose its +1.

For some reason.

C'est charmant, l'HN!

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

#62
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They (maybe) leaked data that showed these shows don't even make much money, so it's not about money. Between this and the long string of stand-up shows with transphobic and homophobic bits, I get the strong impression someone with influence within Netflix wants to keep funding these kinds of acts. Is it true? Maybe not. But the way the company is behaving sure does give that impression. They must have some PR person…

I don't understand why some people think it's okay to offend some groups and not others. Religious people may be deeply and sincerely offended by bad language, jokes about promiscuity, or jokes about religion. Should comedians be banned from discussing those topics because they might offend the religious? Trump supporters might be offended by jokes about Trump, Biden supporters, Biden. Are those beyond the pale? It s…

It is not about "offend" some group, it is about deny their humanity. All persecution that ever happened in history always started with campaigns of dehumanisation, so now weary groups fight tooth and nail against all kinds of dehumanising rethoric. The problem is that the line between edgy humour and dehumanising propaganda is fuzzy at times.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He said that he's on "team TERF" and compared being trans to wearing black face. It's not "manufactured", there are a lot of people upset that he's punching down against a vulnerable community.

This is, I think, the key detail. Everything else is subjective enough that it's easy for people inclined to dismiss the whole thing to make a reason up. There's really no way to misunderstand those things. He's declared an allegiance with people who spend all their time on Twitter and forums dehumanizing trans people, often using the same insinuation that being a woman is the same as doing blackface. Maybe he's igno…

Does "being a TERF" mean that you side with women like J.K. Rowling defending traditional positions on gender debates rather than siding with a minority of vocal pro-trans activists who are deliberately causing trouble and don't represent all trans people? If so then I'm a TERF, my mom's a TERF, in fact all mom's I know over the age of 50 are TERFs. Furthermore pretty much everybody in every non-western country is a TERF. So I don't think it's surprising that Dave Chapelle might be a TERF and I don't see why you're talking about TERFs as if they are somehow to be looked down upon or despised.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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This is how art, comedy and free speech dies. You take the hyper-sensitive, outrage-addicted Twitter culture as measuring stick for what is appropriate.

Whilst Netflix did resist a full take-down, they still took a knee. Don't bow to the unreasonables, just publish and don't explain anything. And indeed, fire the anti-employees, whom sabotage your business.

You're offended? So what? Grow up. Meanwhile hit show "Squid Games" depicts hundreds of people executed, and there's nothing but love and praise.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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post #64

This is how art, comedy and free speech dies. You take the hyper-sensitive, outrage-addicted Twitter culture as measuring stick for what is appropriate. Whilst Netflix did resist a full take-down, they still took a knee. Don't bow to the unreasonables, just publish and don't explain anything. And indeed, fire the anti-employees, whom sabotage your business. You're offended? So what? Grow up. Meanwhile hit show "Squid…

>Meanwhile hit show "Squid Games" depicts hundreds of people executed, and there's nothing but love and praise.

You do realize that's fiction, right?

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is, I think, the key detail. Everything else is subjective enough that it's easy for people inclined to dismiss the whole thing to make a reason up. There's really no way to misunderstand those things. He's declared an allegiance with people who spend all their time on Twitter and forums dehumanizing trans people, often using the same insinuation that being a woman is the same as doing blackface. Maybe he's igno…

Does "being a TERF" mean that you side with women like J.K. Rowling defending traditional positions on gender debates rather than siding with a minority of vocal pro-trans activists who are deliberately causing trouble and don't represent all trans people? If so then I'm a TERF, my mom's a TERF, in fact all mom's I know over the age of 50 are TERFs. Furthermore pretty much everybody in every non-western country is a…

this is the same exact reasoning people use to justify being homophobic

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is, I think, the key detail. Everything else is subjective enough that it's easy for people inclined to dismiss the whole thing to make a reason up. There's really no way to misunderstand those things. He's declared an allegiance with people who spend all their time on Twitter and forums dehumanizing trans people, often using the same insinuation that being a woman is the same as doing blackface. Maybe he's igno…

Does "being a TERF" mean that you side with women like J.K. Rowling defending traditional positions on gender debates rather than siding with a minority of vocal pro-trans activists who are deliberately causing trouble and don't represent all trans people? If so then I'm a TERF, my mom's a TERF, in fact all mom's I know over the age of 50 are TERFs. Furthermore pretty much everybody in every non-western country is a…

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Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

#68
I feel like the title is a bit misleading. The article doesn't much talk about the planned walk out, instead it focuses on the aforementioned employee being fired on suspicion of leaking internal metrics about a show that is apparently controversial (which I have never seen so I don't have any opinion or reference) and about other employees.

I'll confess I don't know anything about anything- I certainly don't have any insight into what evidence Netflix has to support the assertion that this employee was the leak; I doubt we'll ever see it.

I guess I'm just grousing about the title implying the employee was fired for organizing the walkout, yet the article doesn't expound upon the employee referenced by the title, the titular planned walkout, or the evidence for or against the title's implication. Instead, it mentions a show, some private metrics that were leaked to Bloomberg, 3 employees (at least one of whom is a trans software engineer) who were suspended for attending a high-level meeting they weren't allowed to listen in on and then reinstated after public pressure. So why imply that Netflix would fire an employee (who happens to be both black and pregnant) for organizing a walkout in the name of activism that hasn't even taken place yet in order to protest the show referenced by the leaked metrics if the only time they're going to bother even asserting the title's implication is when quoting an employee about discrimination?

Is discrimination the reason she was fired? Is it retaliation for a walkout that has yet to take place? Is there a smoking gun indicating that she was the one leaking private company data? I honestly don't have a clue and we probably won't ever know for sure. But for once I'd like to read an article where the experience at least begins in good faith instead of implying a conclusion without ever actually going into detail about it. [/rant]

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does "being a TERF" mean that you side with women like J.K. Rowling defending traditional positions on gender debates rather than siding with a minority of vocal pro-trans activists who are deliberately causing trouble and don't represent all trans people? If so then I'm a TERF, my mom's a TERF, in fact all mom's I know over the age of 50 are TERFs. Furthermore pretty much everybody in every non-western country is a…

this is the same exact reasoning people use to justify being homophobic

Going with that comparison, it's like having an especially vicious rage towards feminist women who are homophobic, despite almost everybody else also being homophobic.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is, I think, the key detail. Everything else is subjective enough that it's easy for people inclined to dismiss the whole thing to make a reason up. There's really no way to misunderstand those things. He's declared an allegiance with people who spend all their time on Twitter and forums dehumanizing trans people, often using the same insinuation that being a woman is the same as doing blackface. Maybe he's igno…

Does "being a TERF" mean that you side with women like J.K. Rowling defending traditional positions on gender debates rather than siding with a minority of vocal pro-trans activists who are deliberately causing trouble and don't represent all trans people? If so then I'm a TERF, my mom's a TERF, in fact all mom's I know over the age of 50 are TERFs. Furthermore pretty much everybody in every non-western country is a…

>Furthermore pretty much everybody in every non-western country is a TERF.

I don't think you know a lot of the meanings of words you're using. Firstly "TERF" ideology is pretty new and not the "traditional position of gender debates." It branched off of recent feminist movements. Most of non-western countries are not TERFs, probably not even feminist by most current definitions, and definitely not radical.

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