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Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by jmcgough »

AJRF wrote: post #25

I just watched it. I don’t feel like I live in a real world anymore. This whole outrage is manufactured and there are so many resellers. Dave spends the last 15 minutes of the show telling a heartbreaking story of how he made friends with a transgender woman, and invited her to open his show for him, she sucked but then when she was being herself during the show and afterwards backstage she had everyone howling with…

He said that he's on "team TERF" and compared being trans to wearing black face. It's not "manufactured", there are a lot of people upset that he's punching down against a vulnerable community.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by mywittyname »

bentlegen wrote: post #14
InitialLastName wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a general rule, punching up is more acceptable (and funnier!) than punching down. Making fun of the groups that are traditionally dominant in our society (certain religions, political leaders etc) is more compelling comedy than mocking those that have been traditionally victimized and oppressed.

I don’t disagree with this, but is mocking Trump supporters punching up or punching down? Honest question.

Depends on who is in the ring. But doing it to them as a group, I'd call that punching down in most cases.

A lot of the late night comedians keep their jokes focused on the politician and his TV cronies. Any jokes targeting supporters have always been about a specific person because of something they've done or said, rather strictly based on their politics. Ex: Colbert's Seditionists Roundup. Or will say, "supports are of the former president claim..." then offer a direct quote, usually using a clip of the person in question making whatever statement is the butt of the joke.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by airpoint »

AJRF wrote: post #25

I just watched it. I don’t feel like I live in a real world anymore. This whole outrage is manufactured and there are so many resellers. Dave spends the last 15 minutes of the show telling a heartbreaking story of how he made friends with a transgender woman, and invited her to open his show for him, she sucked but then when she was being herself during the show and afterwards backstage she had everyone howling with…

That “heartbreaking” story he told at the end of the show was a literal parallel to “I can’t be racist, I got a black friend”.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by fallingknife »

elgernon wrote: post #15
InitialLastName wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a general rule, punching up is more acceptable (and funnier!) than punching down. Making fun of the groups that are traditionally dominant in our society (certain religions, political leaders etc) is more compelling comedy than mocking those that have been traditionally victimized and oppressed.

These “marginalized” groups seem to be running the country though, and cancel anyone who disagrees with their agenda

Anxiety ridden upper middle class white people claiming to act on behalf of these "marginalized groups"

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by mkr-hn »

why_is_it_good wrote: post #36
mkr-hn wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A black woman came up with and wrote the foundational paper on intersectionality. Your comment is based on incorrect assumptions. A person can be both black and gay and experience a different kind of life based on that intersection. Black and native trans women suffer more by every metric than just about any other group of trans people.

> Black and native trans women suffer more Not by virtue of its blackness, indigenous or sex status, but only in relation to other people. If other people were to praise blackness, indigenousness and being non-man, it would not suffer, but thrive. Do not essentialize.

Yes, things would be different in a completely different culture other than the one we're discussing. That's why I weigh claims of oppression from Copts higher than I do from Baptists.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by psyc »

torben-friis wrote: post #29

As a non American, I must say that I found Chappelle's special to be way too much in the defensive, as if he was preparing for a cancellation that was sure as hell not going to happen. Why would trans people be mad, when he was basically dealing with his duel process on stage about the loss of a trans friend? Then I saw Twitter. Wow. I just don't understand how people can be that mad about something that _they've cle…

The context is there is a playground game being played at scale. In order to be accepted in certain circles, one needs to discern who the thought leaders are, display the proper deference to them, and above all adhere to approved talking points. Chappelle is experiencing backlash for writing his own talking points.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by hadlock »

elgernon wrote: post #15
InitialLastName wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a general rule, punching up is more acceptable (and funnier!) than punching down. Making fun of the groups that are traditionally dominant in our society (certain religions, political leaders etc) is more compelling comedy than mocking those that have been traditionally victimized and oppressed.

These “marginalized” groups seem to be running the country though, and cancel anyone who disagrees with their agenda

To quote MLK, 'A riot is the language of the unheard,', short of a riot, this 'cancel culture' seems to be an effective tool to effect change by directly pulling on economic levers. The fact that people are complaining about how effective it is, seems to reinforce how effective it is.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by undoware »

I'm not going to explain this to you all, but yeah, the language used by Chappelle has specific and very serious consequences for people like me.

Yes, it's transphobic.

That you cannot smell this out -- or do, but pretend you don't -- says a heartbreaking amount about HN culture.

We're here, right beside you, in your workplaces, in your forums, hearing what you say.

And then we have to do our damn jobs.

Do you know what that's like?

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by Alupis »

nefitty wrote: post #31
mkr-hn wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is more like someone being fired because they leaked that one of their coworkers was farting on every burger for laughs.

The leak involved information on the calculated ROI of Chapelle's last special. This is more akin to a vegan employee leaking how much McDonalds pays for beef, revealing that it is a loss leader. That jeopardizes the relationship and puts the beef company in a difficult position when negotiating with other companies. The vegan feels justified because meat is murder and causes unnecessary suffering. It's interesting t…

Specials like Chapelle's bring a ton of eyeballs.

Some of those eyeballs will start a Netflix subscription just to see it, or continue to subscribe, or rethink about cancelling...

Streaming services like Netflix survive by having content people want to see. How many of us cancel HBO or whatever once the show we're watching is off-season? That's a lot of money to miss out on... making things like Chapelle's special worth while, even if it costs a ton up front.

In a weird way, all this hullabaloo surrounding this particular special is actually increasing it's awareness and therefore viewership. These employees are defeating themselves, really...

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by lsiebert »

khalilravanna wrote: post #26

It feels disingenuous to use this as the headline as it implies they were fired for organizing the walkout instead of for leaking internal data: A Netflix spokesperson confirmed the employees’ dismissal. “We have let go of an employee for sharing confidential, commercially sensitive information outside the company,” they said.

Yes, tech companies always fire people for the publicly stated reasons.
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