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As a general rule, punching up is more acceptable (and funnier!) than punching down. Making fun of the groups that are traditionally dominant in our society (certain religions, political leaders etc) is more compelling comedy than mocking those that have been traditionally victimized and oppressed.
These “marginalized” groups seem to be running the country though, and cancel anyone who disagrees with their agenda
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As a general rule, punching up is more acceptable (and funnier!) than punching down. Making fun of the groups that are traditionally dominant in our society (certain religions, political leaders etc) is more compelling comedy than mocking those that have been traditionally victimized and oppressed.
I don’t disagree with this, but is mocking Trump supporters punching up or punching down? Honest question.
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I don't understand why some people think it's okay to offend some groups and not others. Religious people may be deeply and sincerely offended by bad language, jokes about promiscuity, or jokes about religion. Should comedians be banned from discussing those topics because they might offend the religious? Trump supporters might be offended by jokes about Trump, Biden supporters, Biden. Are those beyond the pale? It s…
I understand the sentiment, but I think additional sensitivity may be merited where the group being offended is disadvantaged or subject to persecution. To put it another way, it's been said that comedians should punch "up" (i.e. make fun of those in power) and not punch "down."
From what I see what happens to people that have the audacity to not cave to their demands completely and immediately that are victims of persecution.
Governments, NGO, academia, media and big corporations are outwokking each other on the issue.
I prefer dave to jessica yaniv...
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Did you see the show? Transphobic is just about the last word I'd use to describe it, or Chapelle's message.
I have sufficient resolution on it from people who did watch it and had a wide range of takes on it from "it's not transphobic, don't be a dumbass" to "it wasn't exactly transphobic, but it wasn't good and I understand why people consider the bad jokes transphobic" without subjecting myself to it. Netflix's reaction is really the main subject of my comment. The way to interpret the show is just not relevant anymore.…
Never trust other people's opinions on matters like this.
Other people trust other people trust other people and you get mountains of wrong. Forming an opinion-based purely on other people's opinions is just a form of prejudice.
Dave spends the last 15 minutes of the show telling a heartbreaking story of how he made friends with a transgender woman, and invited her to open his show for him, she sucked but then when she was being herself during the show and afterwards backstage she had everyone howling with laughter because she was so naturally funny but she needed to work on her show to get that side out.
She defended Chapelle on Twitter and got dogpiled for it and killed herself (not 100% if there was a correlation but sure it didn’t help).
Dave got to the point that he didn’t like her or find her funny because she was transgender but because she was a person. She was another human. Not someone who hid behind a label or an identity, but someone who was a human going through the same shit we all go through.
That’s what identity politics and extreme politicalisation denies people, humanity. How people watched that show and got that he’s a transphobe from it just blows my mind.
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I have sufficient resolution on it from people who did watch it and had a wide range of takes on it from "it's not transphobic, don't be a dumbass" to "it wasn't exactly transphobic, but it wasn't good and I understand why people consider the bad jokes transphobic" without subjecting myself to it. Netflix's reaction is really the main subject of my comment. The way to interpret the show is just not relevant anymore.…
> I have sufficient resolution on it from people who did watch it Never trust other people's opinions on matters like this. Other people trust other people trust other people and you get mountains of wrong. Forming an opinion-based purely on other people's opinions is just a form of prejudice.
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As a general rule, punching up is more acceptable (and funnier!) than punching down. Making fun of the groups that are traditionally dominant in our society (certain religions, political leaders etc) is more compelling comedy than mocking those that have been traditionally victimized and oppressed.
These “marginalized” groups seem to be running the country though, and cancel anyone who disagrees with their agenda
Then I saw Twitter. Wow.
I just don't understand how people can be that mad about something that _they've clearly not watched_. It's beyond me. Perhaps I lack some fundamental cultural context.
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As a general rule, punching up is more acceptable (and funnier!) than punching down. Making fun of the groups that are traditionally dominant in our society (certain religions, political leaders etc) is more compelling comedy than mocking those that have been traditionally victimized and oppressed.
I don’t disagree with this, but is mocking Trump supporters punching up or punching down? Honest question.
It's almost impossible to punch down on Trump supporters because they overwhelmingly represent a movement by which the privileged classes are attempting to maintain their privilege and power, and because they're constantly punching down with their mockery and disdain for marginalized classes and their issues.