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Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by bigwavedave »

Omnitaus wrote: post #39
ReptileMan wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody presecutes them in the west. From what I see what happens to people that have the audacity to not cave to their demands completely and immediately that are victims of persecution. Governments, NGO, academia, media and big corporations are outwokking each other on the issue. I prefer dave to jessica yaniv...

I could not get married in the US until less than a decade ago. I can legally be fired in roughly half of the member states of our union based on my identity. I can be legally denied healthcare treatment. This isn't even getting into discrimination with random individuals, which can and does happen in the west. Unfortunately "we don't stone our queers" is not something you get a golden sticker for. I get it's very en…

> I can legally be fired in roughly half of the member states of our union based on my identity.

What? Where? And how? "At will" is one thing, but being fired purely because of how you identify? What?

> I can be legally denied healthcare treatment.

Wait, what? Are you talking about about all healthcare, specific procedures, or what? As far as I know, an ER can't refuse to provide healthcare treatment so you must be referring to specific things and not the general umbrella of "healthcare".

Legitimate, sincere questions- I honestly don't know anything about anything.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

#102

Post by krapp »

Ekaros wrote: post #85
krapp wrote: post #30

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When they were in power it was punching up. Now I think it's just punching sideways or up depending on who's doing the punching, unless they're celebrities or Orangemanbad himself, in which case up. It's almost impossible to punch down on Trump supporters because they overwhelmingly represent a movement by which the privileged classes are attempting to maintain their privilege and power, and because they're constantl…

I wouldn't call Trump supporters privileged classes. Aren't they mostly blue collar workers? Not the political, cultural, financial elites and high earning immensely privileged urbanites?

The sources I've seen claim most of Trump's support comes from Americans making above median income, but privilege is intersectional, and the forms of privilege you listed don't overlap perfectly. In general, by privileged I meant taking the side of the status quo, IE (mostly) white, cisnormative (supporting exclusively heterosexual marriage and believing only two biologically-derived genders exist,) culturally Christian and conservative, which in the US is always the more politically and culturally defensible position.

Of course, not all of these apply to all Trump supporters (his gain among Latino and Black voters in the last election being a counterexample) but I seriously doubt none apply to any.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by CodeGlitch »

AJRF wrote: post #25

I just watched it. I don’t feel like I live in a real world anymore. This whole outrage is manufactured and there are so many resellers. Dave spends the last 15 minutes of the show telling a heartbreaking story of how he made friends with a transgender woman, and invited her to open his show for him, she sucked but then when she was being herself during the show and afterwards backstage she had everyone howling with…

I've not seen the show, but I bet if it wasn't such a money-maker for Netflix it would have been taken down without a second thought - as in it wouldn't be worth Netflix's time to try and defend themselves from the trans-activists.

See also J.K Rowling and her book publisher.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by dnsco »

da39a3ee wrote: post #63
mkr-hn wrote: post #51

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This is, I think, the key detail. Everything else is subjective enough that it's easy for people inclined to dismiss the whole thing to make a reason up. There's really no way to misunderstand those things. He's declared an allegiance with people who spend all their time on Twitter and forums dehumanizing trans people, often using the same insinuation that being a woman is the same as doing blackface. Maybe he's igno…

Does "being a TERF" mean that you side with women like J.K. Rowling defending traditional positions on gender debates rather than siding with a minority of vocal pro-trans activists who are deliberately causing trouble and don't represent all trans people? If so then I'm a TERF, my mom's a TERF, in fact all mom's I know over the age of 50 are TERFs. Furthermore pretty much everybody in every non-western country is a…

> Furthermore pretty much everybody in every non-western country is a TERF.

Many non-western nations traditionally had third gender (Hijras in India, Kathoey in Thailand, many Native American Two-Spirit Identities). When these places were colonized these identities were used as a justification, and generally punished harshly. The argument that "only people in western nations tolerate this", is bad-faith, and doesn't recognize that anti-trans hostility in a lot of the non-western world was largely created by the colonial overlords this argument is meant to rebuke.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by CodeGlitch »

CarelessExpert wrote: post #88
undoware wrote: post #48

I'm not going to explain this to you all, but yeah, the language used by Chappelle has specific and very serious consequences for people like me. Yes, it's transphobic. That you cannot smell this out -- or do, but pretend you don't -- says a heartbreaking amount about HN culture. We're here, right beside you , in your workplaces, in your forums, hearing what you say. And then we have to do our damn jobs. Do you know…

I wrote up a whole reply but yours was flagged and then unflagged and my comment was lost... Anyway, just be aware you have allies. I've just given up participating on HN when these topics come up since it's gotten so utterly polarized and hyperbolic. I typically just flag the article and move on. I assume there's a pretty large silent audience of folks like myself who are simply exhausted by the whole thing and are…

> I typically just flag the article and move on.

May I ask why you do this? Do you not think that others would want to discuss/debate/argue about the topic?

> borderline conspiracy theories floating around here

Do you have an example of one of these? (Genuinely interested in what you mean by this)

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by e40 »

mkr-hn wrote: post #32
e40 wrote: post #18

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More importantly than any of your associates, I have two important data points: I watched it and it was definitely not transphobic. Dave's trans female friend that committed suicide, her family supports Dave and says they believe it's not transphobic. Every single criticism I've seen has been general. None of them, except the ones which take stuff out of context, have specific gripes. That's how you know this is abou…

You'll understand if I weigh the accounts of trans people who watched it over what you, Dave Chapelle, and the family of a trans person who can't speak for herself said.

Before she died she supported Dave, as well.

My main point stands: criticism of his special is too vague. It's almost as if many of the critics never watched the whole thing, having formed an opinion about it early on and stopped watching. I watched the entire thing and it is a single piece. There are no standalone jokes in that special. Every single word is in support of the last words he speaks.

I even watched the special a second time to be sure I hadn't been bamboozled by Dave's wit and charm. I felt even more sure after the 2nd viewing that it's not transphobic.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by mkr-hn »

dnsco wrote: post #104
da39a3ee wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does "being a TERF" mean that you side with women like J.K. Rowling defending traditional positions on gender debates rather than siding with a minority of vocal pro-trans activists who are deliberately causing trouble and don't represent all trans people? If so then I'm a TERF, my mom's a TERF, in fact all mom's I know over the age of 50 are TERFs. Furthermore pretty much everybody in every non-western country is a…

> Furthermore pretty much everybody in every non-western country is a TERF. Many non-western nations traditionally had third gender (Hijras in India, Kathoey in Thailand, many Native American Two-Spirit Identities). When these places were colonized these identities were used as a justification, and generally punished harshly. The argument that "only people in western nations tolerate this", is bad-faith, and doesn't…

I've been excited to see a growing movement by indigenous people to reclaim their ancient understandings of identity in general, and gender in particular now that colonizers have lost the energy they had for suppression in past decades and centuries. A lot of it is just gone, but the nice thing about a living culture is it can rebuild and recover and build new concepts in the gaps.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by mkr-hn »

e40 wrote: post #106
mkr-hn wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll understand if I weigh the accounts of trans people who watched it over what you, Dave Chapelle, and the family of a trans person who can't speak for herself said.

Before she died she supported Dave, as well. My main point stands: criticism of his special is too vague. It's almost as if many of the critics never watched the whole thing, having formed an opinion about it early on and stopped watching. I watched the entire thing and it is a single piece. There are no standalone jokes in that special. Every single word is in support of the last words he speaks. I even watched the…

I am not discussing or interested in this hypothetical person who hasn't watched it but is still commenting as though they did.

To reiterate:

>> "You'll understand if I weigh the accounts of trans people who watched it over what you, Dave Chapelle, and the family of a trans person who can't speak for herself said."

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by gorilla_fight »

jmcgough wrote: post #41
AJRF wrote: post #25

I just watched it. I don’t feel like I live in a real world anymore. This whole outrage is manufactured and there are so many resellers. Dave spends the last 15 minutes of the show telling a heartbreaking story of how he made friends with a transgender woman, and invited her to open his show for him, she sucked but then when she was being herself during the show and afterwards backstage she had everyone howling with…

He said that he's on "team TERF" and compared being trans to wearing black face. It's not "manufactured", there are a lot of people upset that he's punching down against a vulnerable community.

> compared being trans to wearing black face

He also compared transwomen genitalia to vegetarian meat substitutes (Impossible Burger and Beyond Burger)

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by fallingknife »

Omnitaus wrote: post #77
da39a3ee wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does "being a TERF" mean that you side with women like J.K. Rowling defending traditional positions on gender debates rather than siding with a minority of vocal pro-trans activists who are deliberately causing trouble and don't represent all trans people? If so then I'm a TERF, my mom's a TERF, in fact all mom's I know over the age of 50 are TERFs. Furthermore pretty much everybody in every non-western country is a…

I am trans. The debate is that I would like to live, and they do not want me to live. Either I'm a human being or I'm not, but framing it as a debate does very little to conceal the violence. Netflix platformed violence which didn't surprise me, what does surprise me is the extent to which people play it off as just jokes or bring out the same tired token minority friend defense

> The debate is that I would like to live, and they do not want me to live

This is a lie. Nothing of the sort was said in Chapelle's comedy.

> Netflix platformed violence

And you are lying again

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