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Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by nefitty » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 9:29 PM UTC

mkr-hn wrote: post #6

literallyaduck wrote: post #5

If you run a fast food joint and someone leaves during a shift without clearing it first, they are likely to be fired. If they distract the cashier, fry cook and grill and they end up leaving it is likely all of them will be put on "no rehire". It is your right to freely protest, but your company isn't obligated to keep you. Customers have more power than employees. If you don't like what Netflix is doing, stop payin…

This is more like someone being fired because they leaked that one of their coworkers was farting on every burger for laughs.

The leak involved information on the calculated ROI of Chapelle's last special.

This is more akin to a vegan employee leaking how much McDonalds pays for beef, revealing that it is a loss leader. That jeopardizes the relationship and puts the beef company in a difficult position when negotiating with other companies. The vegan feels justified because meat is murder and causes unnecessary suffering.

It's interesting that Netflix may be putting subjective artistic quality ahead of profit. How will investors interpret that?

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by mkr-hn » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 9:29 PM UTC

e40 wrote: post #18

mkr-hn wrote: post #4

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I have sufficient resolution on it from people who did watch it and had a wide range of takes on it from "it's not transphobic, don't be a dumbass" to "it wasn't exactly transphobic, but it wasn't good and I understand why people consider the bad jokes transphobic" without subjecting myself to it. Netflix's reaction is really the main subject of my comment. The way to interpret the show is just not relevant anymore.…

More importantly than any of your associates, I have two important data points: I watched it and it was definitely not transphobic. Dave's trans female friend that committed suicide, her family supports Dave and says they believe it's not transphobic. Every single criticism I've seen has been general. None of them, except the ones which take stuff out of context, have specific gripes. That's how you know this is abou…

You'll understand if I weigh the accounts of trans people who watched it over what you, Dave Chapelle, and the family of a trans person who can't speak for herself said.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by sterlind » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 9:29 PM UTC

brnt wrote: post #3

mkr-hn wrote: post #2

They (maybe) leaked data that showed these shows don't even make much money, so it's not about money. Between this and the long string of stand-up shows with transphobic and homophobic bits, I get the strong impression someone with influence within Netflix wants to keep funding these kinds of acts. Is it true? Maybe not. But the way the company is behaving sure does give that impression. They must have some PR person…

Did you see the show? Transphobic is just about the last word I'd use to describe it, or Chapelle's message.

I can't bring myself to watch it. All I know is a quote from it where Chapelle describes himself as being on "Team TERF". Having spent months subjecting myself to abuse from TERFs in an attempt to empathize with them, I'm too scarred to expose myself to more of that.

So you might be right. Maybe Chapelle was taken out of context. I doubt it, given what I've read, but I can't say for sure since I haven't watched it.

But suppose it is homophobic, or transphobic. I'm actually okay with Netflix hosting it if so, but I don't want there to be double standards. Would Netflix host a racist stand-up routine? Perhaps one where the comedian says they're on "Team White Power" instead of "Team TERF?" Of course not! That's what grinds my gears - transphobia is edgy, apparently, not hateful like racism.

And if Netflix is really committed to diversity of perspectives, why did they no-platform the Saudi Arabia documentary?

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by why_is_it_good » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 9:32 PM UTC

matthewmcg wrote: post #11

ALittleLight wrote: post #9

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I don't understand why some people think it's okay to offend some groups and not others. Religious people may be deeply and sincerely offended by bad language, jokes about promiscuity, or jokes about religion. Should comedians be banned from discussing those topics because they might offend the religious? Trump supporters might be offended by jokes about Trump, Biden supporters, Biden. Are those beyond the pale? It s…

I understand the sentiment, but I think additional sensitivity may be merited where the group being offended is disadvantaged or subject to persecution. To put it another way, it's been said that comedians should punch "up" (i.e. make fun of those in power) and not punch "down."

To praise weakness and call it merit.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by mkr-hn » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 9:32 PM UTC

google234123 wrote: post #22

bentlegen wrote: post #14

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I don’t disagree with this, but is mocking Trump supporters punching up or punching down? Honest question.

Is a black man above or below a gay man in the oppression Olympics ranking?

A black woman came up with and wrote the foundational paper on intersectionality. Your comment is based on incorrect assumptions. A person can be both black and gay and experience a different kind of life based on that intersection. Black and native trans women suffer more by every metric than just about any other group of trans people.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by why_is_it_good » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 9:35 PM UTC

mkr-hn wrote: post #35

google234123 wrote: post #22

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Is a black man above or below a gay man in the oppression Olympics ranking?

A black woman came up with and wrote the foundational paper on intersectionality. Your comment is based on incorrect assumptions. A person can be both black and gay and experience a different kind of life based on that intersection. Black and native trans women suffer more by every metric than just about any other group of trans people.

> Black and native trans women suffer more

Not by virtue of its blackness, indigenous or sex status, but only in relation to other people. If other people were to praise blackness, indigenousness and being non-man, it would not suffer, but thrive.

Do not essentialize.

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Post by robbiep » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 9:35 PM UTC

sterlind wrote: post #33

brnt wrote: post #3

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Did you see the show? Transphobic is just about the last word I'd use to describe it, or Chapelle's message.

I can't bring myself to watch it. All I know is a quote from it where Chapelle describes himself as being on "Team TERF". Having spent months subjecting myself to abuse from TERFs in an attempt to empathize with them, I'm too scarred to expose myself to more of that. So you might be right. Maybe Chapelle was taken out of context. I doubt it, given what I've read, but I can't say for sure since I haven't watched it. B…

I haven’t watched it either (yet). I found this an interesting perspective however - https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/10/dave-chapp...

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by dr-detroit » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 9:35 PM UTC

AJRF wrote: post #25

I just watched it. I don’t feel like I live in a real world anymore. This whole outrage is manufactured and there are so many resellers. Dave spends the last 15 minutes of the show telling a heartbreaking story of how he made friends with a transgender woman, and invited her to open his show for him, she sucked but then when she was being herself during the show and afterwards backstage she had everyone howling with…

its just social media working as designed

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by Omnitaus » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 9:35 PM UTC

ReptileMan wrote: post #23

matthewmcg wrote: post #11

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I understand the sentiment, but I think additional sensitivity may be merited where the group being offended is disadvantaged or subject to persecution. To put it another way, it's been said that comedians should punch "up" (i.e. make fun of those in power) and not punch "down."

Nobody presecutes them in the west. From what I see what happens to people that have the audacity to not cave to their demands completely and immediately that are victims of persecution. Governments, NGO, academia, media and big corporations are outwokking each other on the issue. I prefer dave to jessica yaniv...

I could not get married in the US until less than a decade ago. I can legally be fired in roughly half of the member states of our union based on my identity. I can be legally denied healthcare treatment. This isn't even getting into discrimination with random individuals, which can and does happen in the west. Unfortunately "we don't stone our queers" is not something you get a golden sticker for.

I get it's very en vogue to say marginalized communities secretly control society (Jewish marxist globalists etc) but don't you think we'd have secured equal treatment under the law first? If society is suddenly caving to any and all of my capricious whims I certainly didn't get the memo

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 9:35 PM UTC

AJRF wrote: post #25

I just watched it. I don’t feel like I live in a real world anymore. This whole outrage is manufactured and there are so many resellers. Dave spends the last 15 minutes of the show telling a heartbreaking story of how he made friends with a transgender woman, and invited her to open his show for him, she sucked but then when she was being herself during the show and afterwards backstage she had everyone howling with…

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