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Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by fleddr »

krapp wrote: post #65
fleddr wrote: post #64

This is how art, comedy and free speech dies. You take the hyper-sensitive, outrage-addicted Twitter culture as measuring stick for what is appropriate. Whilst Netflix did resist a full take-down, they still took a knee. Don't bow to the unreasonables, just publish and don't explain anything. And indeed, fire the anti-employees, whom sabotage your business. You're offended? So what? Grow up. Meanwhile hit show "Squid…

>Meanwhile hit show "Squid Games" depicts hundreds of people executed, and there's nothing but love and praise. You do realize that's fiction, right?

No, really? And comedy isn't?

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Post by mkr-hn »

Joeboy wrote: post #69
micromacrofoot wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is the same exact reasoning people use to justify being homophobic

Going with that comparison, it's like having an especially vicious rage towards feminist women who are homophobic, despite almost everybody else also being homophobic.

Transphobia is contradictory to any definition of feminism rooted in the actual history of feminism. TERF ideology depends on the belief that trans women are confused men, trans men are confused lesbians, and nonbinary people are just confused.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by 0x5f3759df-i »

AJRF wrote: post #25

I just watched it. I don’t feel like I live in a real world anymore. This whole outrage is manufactured and there are so many resellers. Dave spends the last 15 minutes of the show telling a heartbreaking story of how he made friends with a transgender woman, and invited her to open his show for him, she sucked but then when she was being herself during the show and afterwards backstage she had everyone howling with…

I watched it as well. All nuance on the topic has been obliterated by the topic being absorbed into the larger culture war, but above anything it just wasn't funny.

On net, the people calling Chapelle out are more correct than his defenders. He really did spend an hour making unfunny jokes at trans people's expense. Was the whole thing as bad as many who didn't watch it are assuming based on a few cherry picked quotes? No, but it was still pretty bad.

Should Netflix remove it? I wouldn't say so, but I think much of the criticism is well deserved if lacking nuance.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by ReptileMan »

Omnitaus wrote: post #39
ReptileMan wrote: post #23

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Nobody presecutes them in the west. From what I see what happens to people that have the audacity to not cave to their demands completely and immediately that are victims of persecution. Governments, NGO, academia, media and big corporations are outwokking each other on the issue. I prefer dave to jessica yaniv...

I could not get married in the US until less than a decade ago. I can legally be fired in roughly half of the member states of our union based on my identity. I can be legally denied healthcare treatment. This isn't even getting into discrimination with random individuals, which can and does happen in the west. Unfortunately "we don't stone our queers" is not something you get a golden sticker for. I get it's very en…

You have the same rights as every biological man or woman that was born in us (depending on your sex). You already have equal treatment. You want to extend, change and bend the law because the outcomes with current system doesn't suit you

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Post by da39a3ee »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #66
da39a3ee wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does "being a TERF" mean that you side with women like J.K. Rowling defending traditional positions on gender debates rather than siding with a minority of vocal pro-trans activists who are deliberately causing trouble and don't represent all trans people? If so then I'm a TERF, my mom's a TERF, in fact all mom's I know over the age of 50 are TERFs. Furthermore pretty much everybody in every non-western country is a…

this is the same exact reasoning people use to justify being homophobic

The difference being that pro-gay activists are not doing any of the bad and absurd things that pro-trans activists are doing: attacking freedom of speech, denying the biological basis of sex in the ape species Homo sapiens, ending people's careers who disagree with them, attacking feminism, damaging pro-gay movements, canceling people, etc. You don't get to assume that people aren't angry about the behavior of pro-trans activists or are too scared to say so publicly: they have behaved awfully in recent years.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by micromacrofoot »

fleddr wrote: post #64

This is how art, comedy and free speech dies. You take the hyper-sensitive, outrage-addicted Twitter culture as measuring stick for what is appropriate. Whilst Netflix did resist a full take-down, they still took a knee. Don't bow to the unreasonables, just publish and don't explain anything. And indeed, fire the anti-employees, whom sabotage your business. You're offended? So what? Grow up. Meanwhile hit show "Squid…

this is so hyperbolic, people have been saying political correctness is killing comedy for decades and it’s fine - louis ck literally ejaculated in front of women without their consent and is still touring and doing comedy

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by Omnitaus »

da39a3ee wrote: post #63
mkr-hn wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is, I think, the key detail. Everything else is subjective enough that it's easy for people inclined to dismiss the whole thing to make a reason up. There's really no way to misunderstand those things. He's declared an allegiance with people who spend all their time on Twitter and forums dehumanizing trans people, often using the same insinuation that being a woman is the same as doing blackface. Maybe he's igno…

Does "being a TERF" mean that you side with women like J.K. Rowling defending traditional positions on gender debates rather than siding with a minority of vocal pro-trans activists who are deliberately causing trouble and don't represent all trans people? If so then I'm a TERF, my mom's a TERF, in fact all mom's I know over the age of 50 are TERFs. Furthermore pretty much everybody in every non-western country is a…

I am trans. The debate is that I would like to live, and they do not want me to live. Either I'm a human being or I'm not, but framing it as a debate does very little to conceal the violence.

Netflix platformed violence which didn't surprise me, what does surprise me is the extent to which people play it off as just jokes or bring out the same tired token minority friend defense

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Post by Joeboy »

mkr-hn wrote: post #72
Joeboy wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going with that comparison, it's like having an especially vicious rage towards feminist women who are homophobic, despite almost everybody else also being homophobic.

Transphobia is contradictory to any definition of feminism rooted in the actual history of feminism. TERF ideology depends on the belief that trans women are confused men, trans men are confused lesbians, and nonbinary people are just confused.

Well, I've been hanging around feminist women for some decades and my perception of events is that a significant proprtion of women who used to just be called feminists now get dragged for being TERFs.

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Post by [deleted] »

mkr-hn wrote: post #56
undoware wrote: post #48

I'm not going to explain this to you all, but yeah, the language used by Chappelle has specific and very serious consequences for people like me. Yes, it's transphobic. That you cannot smell this out -- or do, but pretend you don't -- says a heartbreaking amount about HN culture. We're here, right beside you , in your workplaces, in your forums, hearing what you say. And then we have to do our damn jobs. Do you know…

I seem to be in net positive point territory being critical of Netflix in numerous comments. I used to get flag killed and rate limited for that kind of thing! A too small improvement, but an improvement nonetheless.

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Post by da39a3ee »

sigmar wrote: post #70
da39a3ee wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does "being a TERF" mean that you side with women like J.K. Rowling defending traditional positions on gender debates rather than siding with a minority of vocal pro-trans activists who are deliberately causing trouble and don't represent all trans people? If so then I'm a TERF, my mom's a TERF, in fact all mom's I know over the age of 50 are TERFs. Furthermore pretty much everybody in every non-western country is a…

>Furthermore pretty much everybody in every non-western country is a TERF. I don't think you know a lot of the meanings of words you're using. Firstly "TERF" ideology is pretty new and not the "traditional position of gender debates." It branched off of recent feminist movements. Most of non-western countries are not TERFs, probably not even feminist by most current definitions, and definitely not radical.

The definition being used is in the first sentence of my post. Yes perhaps it's non standard, but "TERF" is a pejorative invented by pro-trans activists.
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