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The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by Jap2-0 »

teawrecks wrote: post #508
kzrdude wrote: post #494

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Their modular ports use a lot of space, they could have much more ports built in, unfortunately.

No one wants all the different ports though, they usually just want the correct ports. If you're plugging more than 4 things into your laptop at once you should be using a dock.

I don't want all the different ports at once, but I definitely use more than 4 in total. My current laptop the following (and I'd love to have more):

- 2 USB-C (1 of which is used for charging, I'll probably have reason to use the other at some point with increasing USB-C adoption)

- 2 USB-A (1 for a wireless mouse, 1 frequently used for flash drives and whatnot)

- SD (used occasionally - cameras and with an adapter for micro SD in phones)

- RJ-45 (used occasionally, probably more often soon)

- HDMI (used somewhat regularly)

- Headphone jack (also built into the Framework)

So with the Framework I'd be missing out on 3 ports. I could survive with that, but it'd be pretty sub-optimal. Thankfully I shouldn't be in the market for a new laptop for 5+ years, so hopefully Framework will have more options by then.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by tailspin2019 »

makeitdouble wrote: post #686
tailspin2019 wrote: post #589

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It would be a no-brainier if Macs were still on Intel. But post M1, I’m not so sure… The Air gives this thing a run for its money at a (albeit $21) lower price. That said, I’m 100% behind the Framework concept though - I like the direction they’re heading in. If I needed a Linux/Windows laptop it would be a serious contender for me.

As a hardware nerd and standard laptop user I love the M1. As a dev, I feel it's not ready yet on the software support side. It will eventually come, but if we follow the "don't buy now on the promise of future updates" principle, right now not being on AMD/Intel is a downside.

So I’m currently on Intel Macs and looking to move to an M1 imminently (holding out to see what MacBook announcements come this autumn).

What are the biggest issues you’ve seen so far from a dev perspective?

The Framework laptop has seriously got me considering moving away from macOS to Linux as a daily dev machine and keeping my Macs for home use (and music production for which I don’t want to leave Logic Pro).

But by the same token I’d love the crazy battery life, no fan noise and raw speed of an M1 for my main coding machine….

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Post by floatingatoll »

biztos wrote: post #515
strix_varius wrote: post #323

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I find it hilarious that we spend multiple thousands of dollars on sleek, elegant hardware and then hook up chunky plastic dongles to overcome their bad hardware interfaces. So I love the idea of these ports (agreed, they're basically "recessed dongles"). I couldn't lose them / forget them. They wouldn't take up space in my bag while I'm traveling. I could "set and forget" them to perfectly match whatever desktop / d…

The crazy thing here is that it’s not so hard to hit the standard set of “pro” ports — USB-C x 4 (new standard blabla) USB-A x 2 SD x 1 HDMI x 1 Phone/Mic I applaud the modular approach but Apple’s donglevision was the pure distillation of user-hostility between the Bean-Counter in Chief and the SVP, Thin Stuff. And all the industrial sheep who followed them. May we all recover…

Insulting all Apple users by calling them "industrial sheep" may put you into conflict with having your views given reasonable consideration, not to mention the site guidelines. It's not generally okay here to call people names for disagreeing with your views.

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Post by stronglikedan »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #9

I wish that I needed a laptop so that I could buy one. I sincerely hope this company succeeds so that they are around when I do need a laptop. > Yesterday, I put my 2019 Thinkpad on my pile of "laptops to refurbish and donate." I've bought a new Thinkpad almost every year since 2006. I think that's over. wat

> I sincerely hope this company succeeds so that they are around when I do need a laptop.

I sincerely hope they're around long enough to make a 15" version. My old eyes can't do 13" any more, unfortunately.

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Post by fendy3002 »

fouc wrote: post #406
mike_ivanov wrote: post #381

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> arrow keys as Apple does it No. NO!!

poster is probably referring to this: https://images.idgesg.net/images/article/2019/11/16in-macboo... The left, right, and down arrow keys all on one level, and the up arrow key alone above the down arrow key. Makes it easy to find the right key by touch alone.

For me it's still a no. Half-height key will be hard to press, especially the top one which is near the shift key.

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Post by Jap2-0 »

eikenberry wrote: post #688
pavon wrote: post #644

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Yeah, being limited to only 4 ports is a complete non-starter for me especially when you are required to use one of them to charge the laptop. So practically everybody is going to end up filling one of those modular ports with a USB-C module, when they could have easily fit two dedicated USB-C ports in the same space, with no practical loss in expandability.

With them being modular, if what you say is true space wise, then I'd expect there to be a module with 2 ports in it eventually.

I was reading some forums on their website a little while ago and they said that seemed unlikely with a decent amount of space being used by the mounting mechanism and whatnot. It would be nice, though.

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Post by russelg »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #645
ricardobeat wrote: post #513

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It doesn't look like a no-brainer to me (already a Mac user). The MBP has a better screen, better battery life, performance, has a metal body, is completely silent and has nicer software. That said, you should get the Air instead which is $999 with almost exactly the same specs, minus the annoying touch bar, and a tad lighter at 1.29kg.

> performance https://wccftech.com/intel-and-amd-x86-mobility-cpus-destroy...

Epic synthetic benchmarks bro.

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Post by crowbahr »

chrismartin wrote: post #695

No axe to grind here, but this article contains a lot of misinformed, over-generalizing FUD about modern Thinkpads. It sounds like Cory's experience was with the X series: these Thinkpads are the thinnest, lightest, and most difficult to service. For a small thickness and weight penalty, the T series are much easier to repair, upgrade, and maintain. My T450s (bought new in 2015) and T480 (bought new last year) both h…

Keep in mind that's only true for the T series. P series ThinkPads (like the P52 albatross round my neck) are a pain in the ass, unserviceable and finnicky to even install Linux on because of the Nvidia GPU you mentioned.

Don't touch a Thinkpad unless it's a T series. But a T series ThinkPads will also not be any sleek form factor that most people would want either.

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Post by twistedpair »

olah_1 wrote: post #454
etbusch wrote: post #316

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Two things: They are replaceable when the external ports (USB-C or otherwise) wear out without the need for soldering or internal board replacement. The design of the modules is open source, meaning that anyone can design a module that fits their needs.

how does a port “wear out”? i’ve never heard of that

Plug it in when you get to work, plug it in when you get home, repeat for 5 years.
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