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The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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> The little modular port attachments seemed like a novelty at first, but now it feels absurd that you'd buy a laptop with a bunch of "hardcoded" ports that you can't ever change That's funny I remember laptops from the 2000s with those swappable cards with different ports. One I distinctly remember because it was clever way to keep the card ~3mm thin were the Ethernet cards, where the Ethernet port was hidden inside…

those PCMCIA cards were very expensive.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Been extremely happy with mine the past couple months. The little modular port attachments seemed like a novelty at first, but now it feels absurd that you'd buy a laptop with a bunch of "hardcoded" ports that you can't ever change. The only real Linux related quirk I've run into so far is that you have to disable panel self refresh (it's on by default and causes stuttering). Other than that tiny thing I pretty much…

How is the state of linux power saving (i.e., mobile battery life) in 2021? Last time I checked you could expect to get almost 2x the battery life on equivalent hardware with Windows or Mac OS.

Can't comment on mobile, but I've set my laptop to sleep after 10min of inactivity and 3min after lid close and it lasts the whole day (4.1Ah). I'm not using it for 8h straight, but rather a combined 3h or sth probably but with this aggressive sleep settings it easily stretches some 8h and I don't feel afraid of it just going out at the end of the day.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you read a little lower in the article he mentions it being a reward mechanism for stopping smoking. So each year he doesn't smoke, he rewards himself with a new laptop. Good strategy!

Yeah, this is rationalizing. You don't need to reward yourself every year for something you do once. You quit smoking, you get a reward, end of story. Also, and that's where we differ (and kind of my point): setting up a new computer isn't a reward for me, it's a punishment.

Well, computers used to be more interesting. A 2006 laptop was at least 2x times faster than a 2003 laptop, with lower power consumption and better thermal design, better screen, etc.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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The baseline, preassembled model starts at $1000. Windows 10 Home, quad-core i5, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB storage, a nice 2256x1504 display, thin and light (1.3kg, 11.7" x 9" x 0.6"). Compare that to your other thin and light options at this pricepoint. XPS 13, $1020 * i5 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 1920 x 1200 display * 1.2 kg, 11.6" x 7.8" x 0.6" MacBook Pro: $1300 * M1 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 2560 x 1600 display *…

Early adopters, hardcore techies may love repairability but they will buy whatever comes out next.

What counts is the majority of buyers after these techies.

It's similar the early buyers of a Tesla who could say "ahh it will be so eco I don't have to buy another car for 10 years" and, 3 years later they buy themselves the new model as they would have normally do with a combustion engine car. Consumers first.

The key point is that repairability is important and is a marketing ploy but isn't a real fundamental issue for wealthy techies. They will just get another laptop in a year or so.

It's the non techies that are important, not us! It's the majority and long tail, not the early adopters that this laptop should be for!

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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> I really miss my Thinkpad Trackpoint This is one of those comments I will never understand. Every single time I have tried to use one of those things the only thought that goes through my mind is, "This is the dumbest mouse interface I have ever seen. Why would anyone ever use this thing?" And then I see comments like this. I don't get it. The ergonomics of those little nubs are awful .

it was ok if you set the sensitivity to maximum. but then you had to train yourself to move the mouse accurately with the tiniest amount of pressure.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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These laptops would be an instant buy from me if I could get a new AMD chip instead of the Intel CPU's.

Same here but for fan noise. Since I've gotten the m1 macbook air, I don't think I can go back to a laptop that runs hot and needs a fan. In the event that I must get a non-m1 laptop, I can definitely see myself buying the framework laptop and putting ubuntu on it.

Same here. I went from a thinkpad to an m1 air, and although the noise wasn’t something that bothered me before, I do appreciate its absence now. The battery life also is a big draw. I can go to the office without a charger, and it’s not a problem. I’ve never had a laptop that made it past half a workday.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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> I really miss my Thinkpad Trackpoint This is one of those comments I will never understand. Every single time I have tried to use one of those things the only thought that goes through my mind is, "This is the dumbest mouse interface I have ever seen. Why would anyone ever use this thing?" And then I see comments like this. I don't get it. The ergonomics of those little nubs are awful .

Counterpoint. I won't use a keyboard without one. I use a mechanical keyboard with a trackpoint. Not having a trackpoint means that I don't even have to think about whether I will buy a laptop, I already know that I won't. Touchpads have gotten better, but nothing beats the nub. That being said, every laptop I have ever owned has had a trackpoint, so I'm a definitely biased.

Did you build that keyboard yourself, or buy it pre-made? If the former, where did you get the trackpoint? I have a Dactyl-Manuform that is nearly perfect, modulo the trackpoint (and wireless, better firmware than QMK, and a few other things), and I'm looking for one that I can use without cannibalizing an innocent thinkpad keyboard.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Been extremely happy with mine the past couple months. The little modular port attachments seemed like a novelty at first, but now it feels absurd that you'd buy a laptop with a bunch of "hardcoded" ports that you can't ever change. The only real Linux related quirk I've run into so far is that you have to disable panel self refresh (it's on by default and causes stuttering). Other than that tiny thing I pretty much…

Their modular ports use a lot of space, they could have much more ports built in, unfortunately.

No one wants all the different ports though, they usually just want the correct ports. If you're plugging more than 4 things into your laptop at once you should be using a dock.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you read a little lower in the article he mentions it being a reward mechanism for stopping smoking. So each year he doesn't smoke, he rewards himself with a new laptop. Good strategy!

Yeah, this is rationalizing. You don't need to reward yourself every year for something you do once. You quit smoking, you get a reward, end of story. Also, and that's where we differ (and kind of my point): setting up a new computer isn't a reward for me, it's a punishment.

Guy should have thought more about what you wanted to read when he wrote the article.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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I find it hilarious that we spend multiple thousands of dollars on sleek, elegant hardware and then hook up chunky plastic dongles to overcome their bad hardware interfaces. So I love the idea of these ports (agreed, they're basically "recessed dongles"). I couldn't lose them / forget them. They wouldn't take up space in my bag while I'm traveling. I could "set and forget" them to perfectly match whatever desktop / d…

I don't understand the logic. When the original usb-c MBP came out I spent $30 on Monoprice for usb-c to whatever cables and never looked back. I even still have many of those cables 3 laptops later. People would actually comment about dongle gate in Meetups and I'd show them my usb-c to micro-usb cable... ...oh the look of shock in their eyes... "You mean... you never bought a dongle?". The concept of a cable with u…

Your unwillingness to understand or empathize is a form of dishonesty. Just because you personally never needed a dongle doesn't mean such situations don't exist or that they are somehow boundary conditions.
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