Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

pluralistic.net

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

321–330 of 1001 posts

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

#321

Post by turtlebits »

dnr wrote: post #271
brightball wrote: post #166

> I really miss my Thinkpad Trackpoint This is one of those comments I will never understand. Every single time I have tried to use one of those things the only thought that goes through my mind is, "This is the dumbest mouse interface I have ever seen. Why would anyone ever use this thing?" And then I see comments like this. I don't get it. The ergonomics of those little nubs are awful .

This is one of those religious arguments where no one will every change their mind, but I feel like a trackpad is the dumbest mouse interface and can't use anything but a trackpoint (or a mouse of course). Consider dragging and dropping: with a trackpoint you click with your thumb, then use your pointer finger to move the mouse cursor any distance you like, without moving your hand, then release. With a trackpad you…

While I'm not going to argue your preference for a trackpoint, dragging with a trackpad is not as you describe. You just leave your thumb "clicked" and reposition your index finger.

IME, using a trackpoint is okay for smaller laptop screens, but going from monitor to monitor kinda sucks.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

#322

Post by judge2020 »

burundi_coffee wrote: post #227
MMS21 wrote: post #49

>That tool – a small screwdriver – is also sufficient to upgrade the CPU CPU isn't up-gradable without switching out the entire mainboard, which I'm fine with, once I get an AMD version that is :)

The CPU is not socketed/replacable because intel simply does not sell socketed laptop CPUs. If there was a socketed alternative, I'm sure it would be in the framework.

Alienware had a socketed CPU and it didn't pan out: https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2020/5/13/21256845/a...

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

#323

Post by strix_varius »

ericpauley wrote: post #253
mikenew wrote: post #124

Been extremely happy with mine the past couple months. The little modular port attachments seemed like a novelty at first, but now it feels absurd that you'd buy a laptop with a bunch of "hardcoded" ports that you can't ever change. The only real Linux related quirk I've run into so far is that you have to disable panel self refresh (it's on by default and causes stuttering). Other than that tiny thing I pretty much…

Maybe I need some convincing here. How is the "modular port" concept any different than a universal port with dongles (i.e., how Macs have been since 2016). To me the fact that the port attachments are recessed is little more than a gimmick. Especially as all of my devices have transitioned to USB-C anyway, dongles/"modular ports" feel more like a stopgap measure than one requiring a permanent form factor change.

I find it hilarious that we spend multiple thousands of dollars on sleek, elegant hardware and then hook up chunky plastic dongles to overcome their bad hardware interfaces.

So I love the idea of these ports (agreed, they're basically "recessed dongles").

I couldn't lose them / forget them. They wouldn't take up space in my bag while I'm traveling. I could "set and forget" them to perfectly match whatever desktop / docking setup I'm using. In five years when my wireless VR system uses some as-yet-unknown hardware interface, I can swap a single component out to support it. Seems like brilliant design to me.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

#324

Post by jklinger410 »

brightball wrote: post #166

> I really miss my Thinkpad Trackpoint This is one of those comments I will never understand. Every single time I have tried to use one of those things the only thought that goes through my mind is, "This is the dumbest mouse interface I have ever seen. Why would anyone ever use this thing?" And then I see comments like this. I don't get it. The ergonomics of those little nubs are awful .

>This is the dumbest mouse interface I have ever seen

And some people think, wow this is a great interface.

Awesome comment!

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

#325

Post by jklinger410 »

flatiron wrote: post #57
MMS21 wrote: post #49

>That tool – a small screwdriver – is also sufficient to upgrade the CPU CPU isn't up-gradable without switching out the entire mainboard, which I'm fine with, once I get an AMD version that is :)

ive seen a lot of requests for an AMD version but i always see people complain about AMD's linux support. Do you plan on running windows? If you are planning on Linux is the support really as bad as people complain. I say that because intel's linux support seems to me as top notch. ive never really had driver issues that i can think of

>but i always see people complain about AMD's linux support

No, you don't. You see people complaining about NVIDIA's linux support.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

#326

Post by rozap »

xvector wrote: post #133
tombert wrote: post #25

It feels like for years we were constantly told by these corporations "it's impossible to have slim, tiny laptops and make them customizable", and I guess at some level I believed that, and just accepted that laptops with upgradable components were a thing of the past. After seeing the framework, I'm more than a little annoyed that I fell for this. They proved you can have a slim, clean laptop that's somewhat modular…

The Framework has half the battery life of similarly sized alternatives. No one was lying to you.

As battery tech gets better, you can replace it. And the glued-in battery in the macbook pro won't be 100% capacity after a bunch of charge/discharges.

It's a compromise in the short term maybe, but long term it's so much nicer.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

#327

Post by bigpeopleareold »

hyperion2010 wrote: post #293
brightball wrote: post #166

> I really miss my Thinkpad Trackpoint This is one of those comments I will never understand. Every single time I have tried to use one of those things the only thought that goes through my mind is, "This is the dumbest mouse interface I have ever seen. Why would anyone ever use this thing?" And then I see comments like this. I don't get it. The ergonomics of those little nubs are awful .

Counterpoint. I won't use a keyboard without one. I use a mechanical keyboard with a trackpoint. Not having a trackpoint means that I don't even have to think about whether I will buy a laptop, I already know that I won't. Touchpads have gotten better, but nothing beats the nub. That being said, every laptop I have ever owned has had a trackpoint, so I'm a definitely biased.

When I am on any laptop, the first impulse for me has always been to reach for the TrackPoint. I always get disoriented for a moment when it isn't on a laptop keyboard. I take the device for granted :)

I really really do hope framework will add a trackpoint option in the future. I would hate to unlearn this comfortable feature now.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

#328

Post by joombaga »

IE6 wrote: post #43

As a long time thinkpad user I love mine. Only problem I have now is my go-to OS Ubuntu does a really bad job of fractional scaling out of the box and none of the workarounds seem to really solve the problem. Sadly the crappy screens on my thinkpads more or less "hid" this problem from me for years.

I'm using 150% on Pop!_OS (an Ubuntu derivative) with Wayland and it looks great.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

#330

Post by user-the-name »

vorpalhex wrote: post #175
azinman2 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> MacOS is nice, probably my favorite consumer operating system currently available, but Apple's walled garden approach is beyond annoying What’s the walled garden on macOS? You can run anything you want on the Mac.

M1 macs no longer run unsigned code. Apps now check stapled OCSP. There's now a permissions dance to do much of anything.

M1 Macs run self-signed code, though. You don't need a developer account or Apple keys.
Post reply on HN