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The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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This guy must be James Bond. I’ve had my 2013 MacBook Pro since it came out and I never needed service on it. My 2016 MacBook Pro, no service. 2020 MacBook Pro, no service.

I like that this company is making completely replaceable parts though. The idea of being able to upgrade ram again sounds like a real benefit… it’s embarrassing that sentence even has to be muttered.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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I just got one of these last weekend(I ordered it in early August) and so far it’s really great. The modular I/O and general mission of the company was what initially sold me on it, but now actually being hands on with it, I definitely feel secure in my decision to get one. I can’t overstate how good these modular ports are. I also really like that you can bring your own hardware in a lot of cases. For example I had…

>when was the last time you used the right shift key?

I generally use the shift key closest to the key I'm typing. For keys near the center, I favor the right shift key.

The keyboard would absolutely be the show stopper for me, if I didn't just get a new laptop last year. The lack of dedicated Page Up and Page Down keys is unacceptable.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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It doesn't look like a no-brainer to me (already a Mac user). The MBP has a better screen, better battery life, performance, has a metal body, is completely silent and has nicer software. That said, you should get the Air instead which is $999 with almost exactly the same specs, minus the annoying touch bar, and a tad lighter at 1.29kg.

Actually, that's the issue with my MBPR from 2012: it has a 2560x1600 screen, as in, highly non-standard. It is neither 1920 wide, nor is it 16:9. If I had the option to have purchased it with 1920x1080, I would have.

16:10 isn't what I'd call "highly non-standard". What kind of work do you use your laptop for that makes this such a big issue?

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Been extremely happy with mine the past couple months. The little modular port attachments seemed like a novelty at first, but now it feels absurd that you'd buy a laptop with a bunch of "hardcoded" ports that you can't ever change. The only real Linux related quirk I've run into so far is that you have to disable panel self refresh (it's on by default and causes stuttering). Other than that tiny thing I pretty much…

Their modular ports use a lot of space, they could have much more ports built in, unfortunately.

Yeah, being limited to only 4 ports is a complete non-starter for me especially when you are required to use one of them to charge the laptop. So practically everybody is going to end up filling one of those modular ports with a USB-C module, when they could have easily fit two dedicated USB-C ports in the same space, with no practical loss in expandability.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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The baseline, preassembled model starts at $1000. Windows 10 Home, quad-core i5, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB storage, a nice 2256x1504 display, thin and light (1.3kg, 11.7" x 9" x 0.6"). Compare that to your other thin and light options at this pricepoint. XPS 13, $1020 * i5 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 1920 x 1200 display * 1.2 kg, 11.6" x 7.8" x 0.6" MacBook Pro: $1300 * M1 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 2560 x 1600 display *…

It doesn't look like a no-brainer to me (already a Mac user). The MBP has a better screen, better battery life, performance, has a metal body, is completely silent and has nicer software. That said, you should get the Air instead which is $999 with almost exactly the same specs, minus the annoying touch bar, and a tad lighter at 1.29kg.

> performance

https://wccftech.com/intel-and-amd-x86-mobility-cpus-destroy...

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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The author states they travelled 27 days a month, every month. I doubt many people put that much stress on their laptops.

Traveling 27 days a month might sound impressive but it shouldn't really put extra wear on laptops in general. I frequently work from cafes and such and put my laptop into my backpack on an almost daily basis, and it's fine after years. I don't even use a padded sleeve or other special protection.

YRMV. I've damaged 3 laptops in ~ 15 years. All have been during international trips when fatigue and unfamiliarity grew and Loki struck.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Actually, that's the issue with my MBPR from 2012: it has a 2560x1600 screen, as in, highly non-standard. It is neither 1920 wide, nor is it 16:9. If I had the option to have purchased it with 1920x1080, I would have.

> If I had the option to have purchased it with 1920x1080, I would have. For what purpose? I can’t imagine a single advantage to lower resolution.

power consumption, other then that i also dont see it. i have laptops with 16:9 16:10 and 3:2. I find the 16:9 worse.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Maybe I need some convincing here. How is the "modular port" concept any different than a universal port with dongles (i.e., how Macs have been since 2016). To me the fact that the port attachments are recessed is little more than a gimmick. Especially as all of my devices have transitioned to USB-C anyway, dongles/"modular ports" feel more like a stopgap measure than one requiring a permanent form factor change.

I find it hilarious that we spend multiple thousands of dollars on sleek, elegant hardware and then hook up chunky plastic dongles to overcome their bad hardware interfaces. So I love the idea of these ports (agreed, they're basically "recessed dongles"). I couldn't lose them / forget them. They wouldn't take up space in my bag while I'm traveling. I could "set and forget" them to perfectly match whatever desktop / d…

I don’t see a problem with them. The majority of users never need one and even when I use them I usually use them infrequently. I often leave them on the ends of cables. My display port cable has a usb c dongle left on it so it’s like it’s natively usb C anyway.

Sure, if you do some weird stuff or have an extreme use case, I can see why you would want more built in ports, but for the majority of users, they only plug in the charging cable and maybe video out.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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XPS isn't that great at all, but I need to check the newer model. I'm talking about build quality and performance.

Do you have an XPS?

I have an XPS 9560 and yeah the build quality ain't great. Had to replace the motherboard and battery after two years, and while the lid is aluminum, the bottom is not, so if you have it hanging over the edge of a desktop or a non flat surface, it flexes enough that the touchpad button no longer registers. These issues might be resolved in newer models but I probably wouldn't go with a Dell again, unless it turns out that they are the best of the worst after a comparison.
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