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The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Has the Lenovo warranty really gotten worse? The author doesn't specify but speaks of the "incredible" warranty on the Thinkpads in the past tense. I purchased an X220 in 2011 with the 3 year next business day warranty plan and it was awesome the couple of times I had to use it. I recently purchased an X13 to replace it with the same warranty plan, assuming it would still be as good. Not true? (By the way, Kubuntu in…

> Apparently there is a "Windows" and a "Linux" sleep state

IIRC, Linux uses an actual S3 suspend, where NT has moved to a low-power mode that never actually halts the processor - "always on sleep" or something?

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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It doesn't look like a no-brainer to me (already a Mac user). The MBP has a better screen, better battery life, performance, has a metal body, is completely silent and has nicer software. That said, you should get the Air instead which is $999 with almost exactly the same specs, minus the annoying touch bar, and a tad lighter at 1.29kg.

Actually, that's the issue with my MBPR from 2012: it has a 2560x1600 screen, as in, highly non-standard. It is neither 1920 wide, nor is it 16:9. If I had the option to have purchased it with 1920x1080, I would have.

> If I had the option to have purchased it with 1920x1080, I would have.

For what purpose? I can’t imagine a single advantage to lower resolution.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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The baseline, preassembled model starts at $1000. Windows 10 Home, quad-core i5, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB storage, a nice 2256x1504 display, thin and light (1.3kg, 11.7" x 9" x 0.6"). Compare that to your other thin and light options at this pricepoint. XPS 13, $1020 * i5 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 1920 x 1200 display * 1.2 kg, 11.6" x 7.8" x 0.6" MacBook Pro: $1300 * M1 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 2560 x 1600 display *…

XPS isn't that great at all, but I need to check the newer model. I'm talking about build quality and performance.

Do you have an XPS?

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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I just got one of these last weekend(I ordered it in early August) and so far it’s really great. The modular I/O and general mission of the company was what initially sold me on it, but now actually being hands on with it, I definitely feel secure in my decision to get one. I can’t overstate how good these modular ports are. I also really like that you can bring your own hardware in a lot of cases. For example I had…

Thanks for the report on Arch compatibility!

For what it's worth, here are also [1] the Framework community forum thread about Arch and [2] the Arch wiki page about Framework in case you're interested.

I'm still waiting for mine to arrive (in the next batch) but I plan to install Manjaro when it does, and am cautiously optimistic that it'll be mostly painless.

[1] https://community.frame.work/t/arch-linux-on-the-framework-l... [2] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Framework_Laptop

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Another quote from Linus that's relevant: "Imagine being an engineer at a company at Apple, and it being your job to design the mechanism that makes it so that machine cannot start up unless the chassis is fully sealed. Apple spent actual fucking money making sure that product would not work unless it is in the exact chassis they shipped it in." That goes beyond not caring.

Apple's consistently demonstrates that their most important customers are their shareholders. They are experts at walking the line between maximizing profits and alienating their regular customers. If they felt that a modular computer would have a higher ROI, they would be all over it. Honestly, I would not be surprised if Apple 'invented' the idea of 'integrated dongles' before their next keynote so they could sell…

To be fair, Apple did make a modular computer. Except only Industrial Light and Magic can afford it.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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For the record, I also own a Mac: the MacBook Pro, 2019 baseline model. I used to enjoy the battery life (though it has been slowly getting worse to the point where I have considered reaching out to Apple about it since the battery is glued in and I can't replace it myself). I like the metal body. I also like macOS. My MacBook is not completely silent because it's an Intel mac, but the M1 would be, that's true. As fa…

> I'm seriously considering selling my MBP and buying this instead Apple's trade-in program is pretty good. My 2012 MacBook Pro was still tradeable in 2019 for something like 400 bucks. I would consider that also if you don't want to abandon the Apple ecosystem. Before having to use a Mac for work I preferred a P53 and an X1 as work laptops, but honestly now that I'm forced to use macOS again I don't miss Linux at al…

Do they go arbitrarily far back, or cut off at some point? (I have a 2013 Air I've barely used for years... Should've thought of it sooner.) The site just lists model names for the Macs, which is oddly non-granular compared to the iPhones by number: https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/trade-in

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Counterpoint. I won't use a keyboard without one. I use a mechanical keyboard with a trackpoint. Not having a trackpoint means that I don't even have to think about whether I will buy a laptop, I already know that I won't. Touchpads have gotten better, but nothing beats the nub. That being said, every laptop I have ever owned has had a trackpoint, so I'm a definitely biased.

Did you build that keyboard yourself, or buy it pre-made? If the former, where did you get the trackpoint? I have a Dactyl-Manuform that is nearly perfect, modulo the trackpoint (and wireless, better firmware than QMK, and a few other things), and I'm looking for one that I can use without cannibalizing an innocent thinkpad keyboard.

I started out building my own (story for another account) but now that TEX makes the Shinobi [0] it is my daily driver. There are some split mechs that have been modded [1,2] which are closer the Dactyl, but that would definitely be a custom job.

0. https://tex.com.tw/products/shinobi 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/hz8flk/ergonomic_... 2. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82599.0

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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The baseline, preassembled model starts at $1000. Windows 10 Home, quad-core i5, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB storage, a nice 2256x1504 display, thin and light (1.3kg, 11.7" x 9" x 0.6"). Compare that to your other thin and light options at this pricepoint. XPS 13, $1020 * i5 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 1920 x 1200 display * 1.2 kg, 11.6" x 7.8" x 0.6" MacBook Pro: $1300 * M1 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 2560 x 1600 display *…

You forgot the used market. The used market for framework laptops is nil.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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I just got one of these last weekend(I ordered it in early August) and so far it’s really great. The modular I/O and general mission of the company was what initially sold me on it, but now actually being hands on with it, I definitely feel secure in my decision to get one. I can’t overstate how good these modular ports are. I also really like that you can bring your own hardware in a lot of cases. For example I had…

> because let’s be honest, when was the last time you used the right shift key? Worth a try if you don't have the habit yet: use the pinky of your right hand when typing capitals with the left hand and the pinky of your left when typing capitals with the right.

That's probably what I was taught, but in practice why? What's my left hand going to do with all its hundreds of milliseconds of free time while my right types a capital letter?

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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I just got one of these last weekend(I ordered it in early August) and so far it’s really great. The modular I/O and general mission of the company was what initially sold me on it, but now actually being hands on with it, I definitely feel secure in my decision to get one. I can’t overstate how good these modular ports are. I also really like that you can bring your own hardware in a lot of cases. For example I had…

Thanks for the report on Arch compatibility!

They donated several laptops to different distro maintainers, Arch included, fwiw.

Not to say that it guarantees anything, it's just nice I think that Framework cares about Linux compatibility and is acting on it.

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