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The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by jbellis »

mikenew wrote: post #124

Been extremely happy with mine the past couple months. The little modular port attachments seemed like a novelty at first, but now it feels absurd that you'd buy a laptop with a bunch of "hardcoded" ports that you can't ever change. The only real Linux related quirk I've run into so far is that you have to disable panel self refresh (it's on by default and causes stuttering). Other than that tiny thing I pretty much…

How is the state of linux power saving (i.e., mobile battery life) in 2021? Last time I checked you could expect to get almost 2x the battery life on equivalent hardware with Windows or Mac OS.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by hinkley »

6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #363
xvector wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Framework has half the battery life of similarly sized alternatives. No one was lying to you.

As far as I can tell, this laptop has a 55 Wh battery. A macbook pro of the same size (13in) has a 58 Wh battery and the dell XPS 13 has a 52 Wh battery. What am I missing?

Capacity isn’t the only metric for batteries. The faster you draw down the more power converts to heat. Different battery chemistry changes that a bit, but also aggressive power management to flatten (and lower) the curve matters a great deal.

Apple nailed that during the same generation they introduced the unreplaceable battery. Better density, less packaging, and improved power management virtually doubled the run time on that laptop versus the previous. That was a huge deal at the time.

Has everyone else caught up?

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by zumu »

ad133 wrote: post #7

This looks really cool, but the author... is... replacing their laptop every year ? Like, I'm writing this on an 8 year old MBP that has survived as my round-the-house driver because it still does everything well. My daily driver is getting on a bit now (3yr) and my desktop only just got replaced after 5 years. Forget the cost, but the waste!

>Forget the cost, but the waste!

They can just sell the laptop and someone else will use it. For example, I almost never buy new laptops, as perfect Linux support generally lags behind.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by akudha »

tombert wrote: post #25

It feels like for years we were constantly told by these corporations "it's impossible to have slim, tiny laptops and make them customizable", and I guess at some level I believed that, and just accepted that laptops with upgradable components were a thing of the past. After seeing the framework, I'm more than a little annoyed that I fell for this. They proved you can have a slim, clean laptop that's somewhat modular…

I guess at some level I believed that

Why should we believe anything any for-profit company says, without verifying (whenever possible)? Drug companies lie all the time, about having to price their drugs absurdly high. Facebook lies all the time about not being able to fact check, without even attempting to try seriously. And on and on.

The insane thing is not that companies lie. It is that the general public has either given up or duped into thinking these companies cannot possible lie. We have created an economic system where profit trumps everything else.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by donmcronald »

conradfr wrote: post #237
m463 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would clarify that - it is not in their best interests to care. what they want is: To sell you a laptop with a current cpu and memory. If you are "price insensitive" they will allow you to get a better cpu or more memory for a significant upcharge. next year, they want: To sell you a laptop with a current cpu and memory. They do not want you upgrading the cpu or memory yourself They do not want you to add next-year…

I wanted to buy a new laptop last year and was shocked: 1/ A lot of them (most?) had 8Go of RAM. 16Go is rare and 32Go even more. What year is it?! 2/ Most have soldiered RAM without an additional slot.

And it's impossible to buy an upgrade for just one component. If you want 16GB of RAM you better be ready to buy an i7. If you want a nice 4k display you better be ready to buy a totally maxed out machine.

Just being able to use my own NVMe disk in something like a Framework translates into savings for me because I don't need a huge disk in my laptop and can reuse one that's too small for my server or desktop.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by fouc »

mike_ivanov wrote: post #381
RandyRanderson wrote: post #103

Very exciting. Hoping they will make something similar with: . 15 or 16 inch chassis . 4k display (OLED, if possible) . largest battery they allow on an airplane . no keypad . 2x speakers facing up . AMD, if possible . arrow keys as Apple does it . charge a premium for this - ppl will pay it!!! Basically just copy what Apple does but with a little customization. I know this would be difficult but hoping someone from…

> arrow keys as Apple does it No. NO!!

poster is probably referring to this: https://images.idgesg.net/images/article/2019/11/16in-macboo...

The left, right, and down arrow keys all on one level, and the up arrow key alone above the down arrow key. Makes it easy to find the right key by touch alone.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by paxys »

ericpauley wrote: post #253
mikenew wrote: post #124

Been extremely happy with mine the past couple months. The little modular port attachments seemed like a novelty at first, but now it feels absurd that you'd buy a laptop with a bunch of "hardcoded" ports that you can't ever change. The only real Linux related quirk I've run into so far is that you have to disable panel self refresh (it's on by default and causes stuttering). Other than that tiny thing I pretty much…

Maybe I need some convincing here. How is the "modular port" concept any different than a universal port with dongles (i.e., how Macs have been since 2016). To me the fact that the port attachments are recessed is little more than a gimmick. Especially as all of my devices have transitioned to USB-C anyway, dongles/"modular ports" feel more like a stopgap measure than one requiring a permanent form factor change.

The modular port is a universal port with dongles. Except that (1) it doesn't take extra space outside of your computer, (2) it is cheaper than mainstream dongles (Apple sells USB-C to HDMI for $70 while the Framework HDMI expansion is $20), and (3) it is fully open source and you can actually print/sell your own.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by adolph »

tombert wrote: post #25

It feels like for years we were constantly told by these corporations "it's impossible to have slim, tiny laptops and make them customizable", and I guess at some level I believed that, and just accepted that laptops with upgradable components were a thing of the past. After seeing the framework, I'm more than a little annoyed that I fell for this. They proved you can have a slim, clean laptop that's somewhat modular…

To be fair to "these corporations," the modules available for the Framework are basically built-in USB-C dongles. If you really hate the look of dongles, then thats great. If you only use one thing, like HDMI, then you don't have to cart around a bunch of modules as if they are dongles.

The three internal upgrad-ables are nice if you think that things will drastically change in RAM, SSD, or Wifi before the CPU, mainboard or faster connections to faster RAM and SSD make the effect of said upgrad-ables to be gilding a turd. Otherwise periodically buy the midrange storage and allow the secondary market to absorb your environmental guilt.

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Post by sixothree »

epistasis wrote: post #39
topspin wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linus (the "tech tips" one) said something that sticks in my mind: "The only reason other companies can't do this - and Framework proved it - is because they don't care."

Well, the other reason is that customers don't care either. I certainly don't. The last desktop build I made 5 years ago hasn't had a single component changed in that entire time.

I am very happy for you to have such good luck.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by amarshall »

RandyRanderson wrote: post #103

Very exciting. Hoping they will make something similar with: . 15 or 16 inch chassis . 4k display (OLED, if possible) . largest battery they allow on an airplane . no keypad . 2x speakers facing up . AMD, if possible . arrow keys as Apple does it . charge a premium for this - ppl will pay it!!! Basically just copy what Apple does but with a little customization. I know this would be difficult but hoping someone from…

> 4k display … Basically just copy what Apple does

Apple doesn’t do this. Apple instead does the correct thing: target PPI. Apple keeps their laptops around 226 PPI. The Framework laptop is 200 PPI.

Stop caring about absolute resolution and start thinking in PPI.

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